Talk:Arriva Herts & Essex

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(Please see Talk:Arriva_London for this discussion) Fourohfour 21:21, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Arriva Southend

Arriva Southend is not part of Shires & Essex, i think it should be moved to the Arriva Southern Counties section, opinions?

Yes. Arriva436 14:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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TGM

How much of this has been replaced by Tellings Golden Miller? The Harlow routes definitely have Rojomoke (talk) 12:12, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Mixture of bad information

This Wikipedia page annoys me so much. There is so much wrong with it, but it's going to take time to fix the inaccuracies. I'll go through it at some point, working for Arriva the Shires (ATS) allows me to fact check everything.

Generally, there is no such thing as 'Arriva East Herts & Essex' anymore. Also, ATS have never legally used the name 'Arriva the Shires and Essex' as per the O-license (operator license).

Harlow is technically caught up between TGM and Arriva Southern Counties. Ware is fully incorporated into ATS.

When I go through it, I'll beef up the fleet info as well. Although it's good to see the TfL stuff there, that has nothing to do with Arriva the Shires.

PingPlay (talk) 16:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

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Shouldn't the article be renamed to "Arriva Herts & Essex"?

Hi.

I think this article should be renamed "Arriva Herts & Essex" as Arriva normally don't use the name "Arriva Shires & Essex" anymore on most of their pages.

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Thanks -- Pedroperezhumberto (talk) 17:32, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I agreed and have just done it, but now I'm not so sure it was correct. Arrival Shires still exists so it would have been better to WP:SPLIT the article. Can you create a new Shires article as it is too difficult to do on mobile. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 21:01, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much. -- Pedroperezhumberto (talk) 09:24, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Most likely I could ask someone else to create the article as I am also not that good at writing articles up.

Thanks -- Pedroperezhumberto (talk) 09:25, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

I honestly do not know how many routes Arriva The Shires operate. I am in the middle of creating the article, but I don't know how many routes Arriva The Shires operate.

JMF do you know how many routes Arriva Shires operate?

Thanks -- Pedroperezhumberto (talk) 10:37, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

I give up. I honestly can't create the article as it is so difficult for me to do.

Can you ask someone else to create the article please?

Thanks -- Pedroperezhumberto (talk) 10:47, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

@Davey2010 and Ajf773:, can you resolve? This is well out of my experience. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 17:50, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @JMF, Excuse the language but Arriva's 2015-2017(?) subdivision name changes have been one big clusterfuck and nothing short of illogical and pointless but then again It's Arriva so we should expect nothing less!

Anyway I personally think we should follow the locations on their official websites (so Arriva Beds and Bucks, Herts and Essex, Kent and Surrey, Midlands, North East, North West, Wales, Yorkshire)

I support the recent move which better reflects their operations and given Arriva no longer go by "Shires and Essex" it kinda makes sense. –Davey2010^Talk 19:30, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

So are you saying that there is no such new division as Shires?

Maybe a better solution would be to have just one article for Arriva, with sections as appropriate for whatever is this week's boardroom "new broom" deckchair shuffling. How does each division even deserve its own article? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:11, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @JMF, My apologies, Given Shires is no longer in the name I therefore assumed they no longer operated there, But see this is exactly what I mean - On their website it's "Herts and Essex" yet the legal lettering on their buses in Luton (Shires area) is "Arriva The Shires Limited"[1],

I absolutely agree and thought this should have happened a long time ago, But I don't know if we may need to do an RFC first as some bus enthusiasts may disagree ? Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 22:28, 4 August 2023 (UTC)