Talk:Arron Banks

Nominated for deletion 2014. But forever notable after Brexit 2016

It is simply mind-boggling that in 2014, this page was nominated for deletion because the subject was deemed not notable enough. However, in a scant two years, after Leave.EU and the Brexit of June 23, 2016, he'll forever be in the history books. Can more information be provided regarding this man and his motives? Titus III (talk) 23:45, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

There is a notable lack of information in this article on the original sources of this man's apparent vast wealth. Perhaps this may be because there is nothing on his parents or any other relatives but his wife. And there is nothing on her family either. Why? Bluegreen (talk) 15:41, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Talking about history books: in centuries to come, when the UK has come to its senses, his name will live on in infamy. He should be tried for high treason, but there's little chance of that in Gazprom-owned Britain.88.111.239.43 (talk) 16:33, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Lives in Down House

I deleted the sentence that he lives in Down House and this has been subsequently reverted on the grounds that it is supported by the sources. Unfortunately, the sources don't seem to support this - the FT source is firewalled and the other source, from a local paper, talks about it being converted into a luxury hotel by Banks, which is not at all the same thing as 'lives in'. I've searched to see if his residence is mentioned elsewhere and can't find anything. I propose this sentence be altered or deleted. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 10:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Opening sentence

To me, "Arron Fraser Andrew Banks, known as Aaron Banks" [without also] suggests that he is normally known as Aaron, not Arron. I haven't checked this carefully, but a quick look at the cited websites and a few others suggests that the spelling "Aaron" is used much less frequently:

0,00% site:ukip.org (very few occurrences)

0,00% site:guardian.co.uk

0,19% site:newstatesman.com

2,04% site:spectator.co.uk

6,25% site:uk.businessinsider.com

8,94% site:www.telegraph.co.uk

13,85 site:bbc.co.uk

15,84% site:independent.co.uk

18,31% site:dailymail.co.uk

Of course, some of the Aaron Bankss may be the photographer or the martial artist. I would suggest restoring "also known as" (or "sometimes called"). --Boson (talk) 03:31, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Just to add to that:

0,00% site:westmonster.com

0,00% site:reuters.com

6,56% site:bloomberg.com

The overwhelming majority of references (something in the region of 90%) seem to be to "Arron Banks", not ""Aaron Banks". His apparent Twitter account is "Arron Banks". I have seen no evidence that he is "usually" known as "Aaron Banks". There is some evidence that he is very occasionally called "Aaron". Can anyone point to such evidence? --Boson (talk) 20:42, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Increase in UKIP donation

First, the article claims that Banks intended to donate £100,000 but increased the sum to £1 million after a derogatory comment by David Cameron. Later, it says that the increase was made in response to something said by William Hague. Which is the correct version? JezGrove (talk) 21:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Arron Banks description ref

British businessman and political donor. X1\ (talk) 17:17, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

This is an example use for this RS. Include. X1\ (talk) 18:20, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Leaky caldron: BRD? X1\ (talk) 19:44, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

References

Birthplace

There seems to be different information on birth places. Not sure a mention of a birthplace in a newspaper should override a scientific book --174.16.43.51 (talk) 23:17, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Where is it established as being "scientific"? And seeing as the text of this book source is not readable by people who don't have access to it, why should it be preferred over The Guardian which is clearly readable by all? It's all rather suspicious that there has been a sudden insistence by IP editors on inserting Bielefeld as Banks' place of birth, particularly as those IP addresses have often been based in Lower Saxony, Germany, and it was a Lower Saxony IP that recently vandalised the page to state the article subject is a "con man" [1]. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

The recent history of the article includes these edits (some intervening edits omitted):
1) An IP based in Lower Saxony adds Bielefeld to the text, as Banks' birthplace, with no source provided [2]
2) A different IP in Lower Saxony adds Bielefeld to the infobox [3]
3) That IP removes Bielefeld from the text, but keeps it in the infobox [4]
4) Fourteen minutes later FideKoeln, who hasn't edited the article before, reverts the last IP edit and restores Bielefeld to the text. Still no source [5]
5) An IP in Bremen (the same part of Germany as Lower Saxony) restores Bielefeld as per FideKoeln [6]
6) The "Banks is a con man" edit, by an IP in Lower Saxony [7]
7) Another Bremen-based IP adds Bielefeld [8]
8) The Lower Saxony IP that edited Bielefeld into the infobox but out of the main text claims to revert a previous edit back to a Bielefeld-free revision that I had made, though in fact they had only half-reverted and had kept Bielefeld in the infobox [9]
9) A Lower Saxony IP adds Northwich to the infobox, as Banks' birthplace [10]
10) FideKoeln adds Bielefeld, and provides a book as source [11]
11) Due to what I regard as suspicious editing leading up to the provision of the book source, I do a search and cannot find any accessible internet source that mentions Bielefeld, though The Guardian does state Banks was born in Northwich, so I add that [12]
12) Less than 4 hours later the IP from Colorado USA, who opened this thread, appears at the article for the first time to revert me and restore Bielefeld, wrongly asserting that I didn't provide a source [13]. This IP editor made three subsequent reversions, all of them to restore Bielefeld to the text in preference to Northwich.
So the question is, why this sudden insistent desire to state that Banks was born in Bielefeld, Germany, using a source that can't be read online? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

I've been watching this episode and it certainly seems suspicious. I'm going to add a little. This article previously included a cite to FreeBMD [14], which was removed as a primary source last year. A Google search reveals many more online sources that say "Northwich". The source used to support Bielefeld as a birthplace appears to have been published in the 90s, a long time before Mr Banks rose to prominence. It seems unlikely that he would have been included.TiB chat 18:05, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

In addition to the above history, I think it's worth noting here that an IP from Bremen / Lower Saxony has twice removed this talkpage thread - here and here - and has stated that their interest in changing the article subject's birthplace is dependent upon the UK being within the European Union [15], which suggests that, rather than being involved because they want to improve the encyclopaedia, the IP has a politcal motivation. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 06:59, 5 September 2019 (UTC)