Talk:Arroyo Seco Parkway/Archive 1

Archive 1

History notes

Original interchanges

Most information is from WPA maps: [1][2][3][4][5][6] It does not appear that there were any grade separations except College Street south of the Los Angeles River at that time. [7]

• Alpine Street [8] bridge 1948
• College Street [9][10][11] bridge 1939
• Hill Street: southbound exit/entrance at Stadium Way; northbound exit (no entrance?) at Adobe Street; southbound exit and northbound entrance at Hill Street; northbound entrance at Bishops Road? [12][13] bridges 1942, 1962
• Bishops Road [14][15][16]
• Solano Avenue bridges 1942
• Riverside Drive: at-grade [17][18]
• San Fernando Road: same as now
• Avenue 26: nothing
• Cypress Avenue: diamond without a southbound entrance - but Cypress Avenue is shown dashed, and the bridge was never finished [19]; it appears that at most the southbound onramp exsted, and that's not clear [20]
• Marmion Way near Amabel Street: southbound entrance
• Figueroa Street: same as now
• Avenue 43: same as now
• Avenue 52: same as now [21]
• Via Marisol: same as now
• Avenue 60: same as now [22]
• Marmion Way: additional southbound exit at La Riba Way, barely visible on Image:ArroyoSecoPkwy(CA110)1940.jpg
• Bridewell Street [23]
• Orange Grove Avenue [24][25][26]
• Fair Oaks Avenue [27][28] - original southbound exit was closed because of the dangerous curve [29]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by NE2 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Good Article nomination

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   I don't think I caught any duplicate links, but remember to only link the first time a term appears, especially for red links.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Superb work, I rarely find roadway articles to be an engaging read, and the history was especially so in this case. Also, good work on providing proper in-line citations. VanTucky 22:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places

I can't find any substantiation that the Pasadena Freeway or any component of it is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. It's a National Civil Engineering Landmark and a National Scenic Byway, but neither makes it an NRHP property. NRIS searches turn up nothing either. Acroterion _(talk) 22:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

According to this blog post, it's been nominated but Caltrans will not consent to its listing [30]. Acroterion _(talk) 22:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

While were on the subject of renovation/renaming...

...we need to add more coverage of said renovation/renaming in the article Purplebackpack89 16:04, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request on unanimous support, with evidence provided.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:45, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

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Pasadena Freeway → Arroyo Seco Parkway — California and Caltrans are renaming the 110 Freeway back to its original name, the Arroyo Seco Parkway. Relisted. billinghurst 05:20, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I was on the freeway last night. It is no being resigned at both ends at the Arroyo Seco Parkway. The name Pasadena Freeway is being retired.Don Williams (talk) 16:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Oppose Where's your WP:RS? This is just original research, which is not okay for Wikipedia per WP:OR. Source found, support.--Rschen7754 11:21, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose No evidence produced that the name has changed. Support Evidence now produced. Skinsmoke (talk) 06:10, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
• Support, a quick google search found: [31], [32], [33], so apparently it has been renamed. Imzadi 1979 → 20:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
• Support. News coverage and hilarious public outcries say it's legit. —Fredddie™ 21:55, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
• Support - Since it appears the name is actually changing, the article needs to be moved then. Dough4872 00:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
• Support. Arroyo Seco was its original name anyway. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 07:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
• Support Just heard a radio article confirming as such. We should preserve the redirect; and change the hatnote to
  "Pasadena Freeway" redirects here. For the freeway in Texas, see Pasadena Freeway (Houston).
  Purplebackpack89 16:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
• Support It's the right name. They're changing all the signs around the city to reflect as such. --Tv's emory (talk) 02:08, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
• Comment The hatnote should actually refer to the title of the article referred to:
  "Pasadena Freeway" redirects here. For the freeway in Texas, see Texas State Highway 225.
  Skinsmoke (talk) 22:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, so the current hatnote was wrong. I plugged that with chewing gum until this move goes through. 00:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Misleading Use of Term Freeway

This excellent article contains a factual misrepresentation. This roads was not the first freeway, it was the first road called a freeway, although it is the first freeway west of the Mississippi. The original design was modeled after the parkways developed in the NY-NJ-Conn region during the 1920's and 1930's. The article should be corrected. In fact the term "freeway" may actually have been borrowed from a NY Times article in 1936. Apparently the RPA designated a system of freeways as the "best permanent solution" as wrong as they may have been 1/2 century latter they did document the use of the term in NY area in 1935.

FREEWAY' IS NOW URGED; Protected Border Express Roads Advocated for New York Region [PDF]

CONSTRUCTION of an extensive system of "freeways" in in the vicinity of New York, as the best permanent solution of the traffic problem on main highways, is advocated in a plan made public today by the Regional Plan Association....View free preview December 13, 1936 - Article

Trusting that this one minor flaw may be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.85.77 (talk) 13:21, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Could use better wording in my view.--Oxforduniversity1 (talk) 18:35, 20 July 2014 (UTC)