Talk:Arthur Roberts (comedian)

Singing at the wedding of the Prince of Wales?

Not sure this can be right. Albert (later Edward VII) and Alexandra were married in 1863 (when Roberts was only 11) and the next holder of the title, the future Edward VIII, wasn't born until 1894! Daen (talk) 01:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Also, according to the entry for "Daddy Wouldn't Buy Me A Bow-Wow", it was written by one Joseph Tabrar. I am deleting the entire reference. BSTS. Daen (talk) 01:15, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. But Roberts did sing the song. New ref added for that proposition. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:02, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Evans?

An IP account added the following:

A purveyor of songs then considered risque, in 1879 Roberts' saucy lyrics caused Evans' (one of the music halls famous precursors) in which he performed to lose it's license, only to have it re-instated the following year. ref> Baker, Richard Anthony. British Music Hall: An Illustrated History, Sutton Publishing (2005), p.3 ISBN 0750936851 /ref The book exists.

I see that this IP account is responsible for several incidents of vandalism, so is this legitimate? If so, how exactly did Roberts' lyrics (or was it his performance?) cause the establishment to lose its license? By "purveyor" does the IP mean that Roberts wrote and sold songs, wrote and performed them, or only performed them? This needs to be clarified and properly cited. Also, what does the IP mean by "one of the music halls famous precursors"? Finally, was Evans a music hall? A theatre? Where was it located? -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:17, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

This addition is remarkable for its comprehensive mangling of the language; it inflicts cruel and unusual punishment on the possessive apostrophe in particular. Translated into English it might read: "Roberts was a purveyor of songs then considered risqué. In 1879 his saucy lyrics caused Evans's Theatre to lose its licence temporarily." But Ssilvers is right: even if we translate the text into English, the questions he asks need to be answered. Tim riley (talk) 14:13, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

I have just ordered the book from my local library gentlemen and will report back most soonest. -- Cassianto^Talk 20:13, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Good. Perhaps there will be other information about Roberts in it. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:27, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I have the book and it appears the above IP is correct in what he/she is saying. It says "In 1879, however, the saucy songs of the comedian Arthur Roberts caused Evans's to lose its licence, only to have it re-instated the following year." --Cassianto^Talk 18:21, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

[left]OK, I have now put back in the information, this time in comprehensible English, without the unsupported "purveyor" language. Does the book say what "Evans's" was? A theatre? music hall? eatery? -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:01, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Now added. -- Cassianto^Talk 23:38, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Cassianto, do you really mean 1842 in Note 1, or do you mean 1872? -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:37, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

No it is 1842. I will try and start a small stub on it in a bit. --Cassianto^Talk 09:47, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Does the book have any other good information about Arthur Roberts? Re: Evans's, I've removed this part of the note: "In the 1870s, it was converted ... [by] Evans, who hired John Green as the establishment's conductor of music in 1842. Among the acts to perform there was the music hall comedian Sam Cowell." It should go in your new article about Evans's, but it does not establish that John Green or Sam Cowell have any significance to Arthur Roberts' life or career. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

No, there is no significance between Cowell and Roberts, or indeed Green and Roberts. Cowell pre-dated Roberts by a good few years so it is unlikely that the two would have even met. There is probably two pages on Roberts (most of which is already in this article). I will go through later a pick out what is not there and add to Roberts. This is a very good book, you would love it! -- Cassianto^Talk 14:10, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Well blow me down, it already exists. -- Cassianto^Talk 15:55, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Good! It's almost more than a stub. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:24, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

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