Talk:Asia featuring John Payne

Rationale for this article

This page was created (rather than being a re-direct) following discussion at Talk:Asia_(band)#Asia_vs._Asia_featuring_John_Payne and using material taken from the Asia (band) article. Bondegezou (talk) 16:10, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, this looks to be a good split. I am doing some cleanup work especially on the sourcing as some of the links are dead. I made some earlier changes under the IP 66.215.168.200 before I realized I wasn't logged in. Also, for full disclosure, I am the internet manager for John Payne, and such administer the AFJP website and Facebook page. I will do my best to make changes/add content per Wikipedia's intentions and not in the interest of promotion of the band, please let me know if I am doing a poor job of this. Erik 1099 (talk) 01:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Erik, thanks for your input, introduction and your acknowledgement of a conflict of interest.Bondegezou (talk) 09:11, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Well done, Bondegezou -- this looks like a really good split. SeparateWays (talk) 16:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Article photo

I've attempted to upload and add the official promotion photo which was specifically provided by AFJP's management for use on this page. I believe I have uploaded it correctly to satisfy Wikipedia commons' requirements. If I have not, please contact me with your concerns. Erik 1099 (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Timeline diagram

The current diagram shows Scandinavia as an EP with Norlander on keyboards. It was actually a full album, a live recording from 2006 when the band was performing as just Asia and had Geoff Downes on keys. Bondegezou (talk) 21:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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Line-up

They last played Nov 2016 with Payne (lead vocals, bass), Scaria (guitar, vocals), Keegan (drums, vocals) and Todd Rogers (keys, vocals, additional guitar), but as the band struggles to get gigs, it struggles to get reliable source coverage, so that's based on YouTube posts! Bondegezou (talk) 13:22, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit war over unsourced material

This article does have a longstanding problem with insufficient citations, but the right way to more forward is not this current edit war. Joefromrandb and 79.17.217.9, you are both liable to get blocked under WP:3RR. There would have been no great harm leaving the article with or without the contested material and having a discussion here. So, let's see if we can discuss the material at question, which is:

• The first album with this line-up was Aqua, released in 1992. In addition to Downes and Payne, the album featured guest appearances by Palmer and a returning Howe. Palmer, committed to an ELP reunion, was able to play on just three songs and left the band before touring. The live shows also featured Howe (whose presence was heavily promoted) who took the stage after the fifth song. Howe did not continue with the band after Aqua.

• This line-up went on to release Silent Nation in 2004. In August 2005, Slade left the group to be replaced by Jay Schellen (who had helped on some writing sessions for Silent Nation).

I don't see a problem with those. They're not contentious claims. Do the articles at Aqua (Asia album) and Silent Nation (album) have citations that can be used here? If not, most of that information can be sourced to the respective albums' liner notes.

• After a short period of further touring, the new band started work on an album, tentatively entitled Architect of Time, which was originally planned for release in 2006.

• with Payne owning a significant portion of the rights to the 'Asia' band name following Downes' departure. Asia Featuring John Payne was announced in May 2007 with Payne on vocals/bass, Guthrie Govan on guitar and Jay Schellen on drums. Later that year, Erik Norlander was announced on keyboards.

I believe these to be true, but citations are needed. There are some links to interviews here that might serve.

• Payne, Govan, and Schellen are also continuing work as GPS.

Presumably sourced at the GPS article?

• In 2014, Norlander was replaced by Ryo Okumoto from GPS. Schellen stopped working with the band in 2016, and started filling in for Alan White in Yes alongside Geoff Downes.

The latter material is presumably sourced at the Yes article. Bondegezou (talk) 21:06, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

I've left it go for the time being, and requested protection of the page, but I will not begin to discuss anything with a self-declared IP-sock. I'm aware of your extensive knowledge of the band, and as such, I trust your opinions as to what should stay or go. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:12, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

I've added a selection of citations. Let's see what others think of them. Recent developments remain unclear however. Bondegezou (talk) 08:49, 1 May 2017 (UTC)