Talk:Asian Latin Americans

References

So this article has been tagged for references and I've had some pages bookmarked for quite a while so I thought I'd help. I played with Wikipedia a bit but I don't feel comfortable editing plus I don't know how to source/don't want to mess up the article. =/ Forgive me. I hope some of this info helps.

Note: Mexico, along with other countries in Latin America, doesn't do a racial census so official numbers might be hard to come by.

Japanese

The numbers of actual populations vary by source.

These sites [1] [2] include the number of Japanese immigrants to Latin America (and other parts of the world). It also has estimates of Nikkei populations but the numbers seem low in contrast to censuses from such countries as Brazil and the U.S. There are about 1.3-1.5 million in Brazil and 800,000 in the US. They began arriving in Latin America as early as 1892 (Mexico) and 1899 (Peru).

Information about the number of Okinawans immigrants to Latin America. Also gives info about Brazil's 1.5 million Japanese community. [3]

Japanese speakers in these countries are: Mexico (35,000) [4] Argentina (32,000) [5]

Chinese

There about 100,000 Chinese in Cuba (1% percent of the population). [6]

From Ethnologue, going by the number of native speakers in these countries: Venezuela (400,000) [7], Peru (100,000) [8], Mexico (35,000) [9]

The number of Chinese is most likely higher since this includes only those that speak Chinese.

There have been Chinese in (Sinaloa) Mexico since the 19th century (1895). [10]

Chinese in Peru

isn't it more like 1,300,000 as opposed to 100,000. The Overseas Chinese article says 1.3 million. And many articles on Peru say something like Chinese make up 5% of Peru's population.

Chinese in Venezuela

This article needs to be updated. There is a significant increase in the number of Asians in Venezuela during the last decade, especially people from China. Too bad I don't have any official numbers, but I'll keep looking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harreaza (talk • contribs) 03:51, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Filipinos

This website puts the estimate of Filipinos descendants (as opposed to immigrants) in Mexico at 200,000. [11]

Koreans

Ethnologue puts the number of Korean speakers in Brazil at 37,000. [12] The number is most likely higher.

There are about 20,000 Koreans and their descendants in Mexico. Korean immigration to Mexico dates back to 1905. [13] [14] [15]

There are about 35,000 Koreans in (Buenos Aires) Argentina after a mid-80s peak of 50,000. [16]

At least 30,000 Koreans have immigrated to Los Angeles from South America thus being Latinos of Korean descent. [17] It's an interesting article for those that are interested. ;)

Other

This is all I have for now but there are other Asian groups (Vietnamese, Taiwanese, etc.) that I didn't mention and that's because I don't have any info on them but if I can find any I'll bring it up. There are also a lot more Asians in countries such as Chile, Paraguay, Puerto Rico, etc. but, again, I don't have any info on them.

Should Asian Indians be included in this article since most live in Anglophone countries (Jamaica, Trinidad & Tobago, etc.) which aren't a part of Latin America?

Moretti80 08:47, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Good data, Moretti. And only Asian Indians in Spanish-speaking countries and Brazil should be included in this article. SamEV 04:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 16:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

List

I removed 2 or 3 people on the list. Correct me if i'm wrong, but shouldn't the people listed there be born in Latin America? Kelis is American-born and her mother is Puerto Rican and Chinese. Another one i deleted was born in Korea of Mexican decent. If i'm wrong, please correct me and add them back. -- LaNicoya  •Talk•  02:51, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Good edit. They would go in an Asian Latino article. I hope you start it the moment you feel you have enough info (I don't think I do). SamEV 23:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I was looking into it a while back but couldn't find enough info, maybe enough to start a stub page at the least with the number of self-identified Asian Latinos in the U.S. -- LaNicoya  •Talk•  23:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Why not? That's how the White Hispanic article got started, not to mention a zillion others all over Wikipedia. SamEV 02:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

BTW, I notice you removed Hiromi Hayakawa. I think she qualifies for this article because she's a Mexican citizen; it doesn't matter that she was born outside Latin America. SamEV 02:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect information in the History section

I removed the following statements which appear to be incorrect:

Vietnamese the most significant group thereafter. While Vietnamese Latin Americans are almost entirely confined to Cuba and Mexico, other Asian groups are represented throughout Latin America.

I don't see any evidence of Vietnamese migration to those two countries, or anywhere else in Latin America. For example this OECD data table shows just 36 Vietnam-born persons residing in Mexico [18].

as political or war refugees (victims of World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War and the Cultural Revolution in 1966 China).

War migration from Asia to Latin America was extremely rare. This is because Latin America is all the way across the ocean from Asia and none of the Latin American countries in question agreed to settle refugees in any significant numbers (e.g. Chile accepted about a dozen ex-North Korean soldiers who didn't want to go home, and that's it).

A lot of this incorrect information appears to have been copied from articles written by CARLMART (talk · contribs), who was indefinitely-blocked for trying to propagate various hoaxes about immigration to Latin America. Please be careful when copying information which is not cited to reliable sources. Thanks, cab (talk) 14:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Joshua Project links

After a discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups, we've concluded that the Joshua Project data are full of errors both in identifying ethnic groups and figuring out where we're located. Just from my own eyeballing of their data, I can see all sorts of blatant errors, like claiming that Indonesia has 7,000,000 Mandarin speakers, or that Mozambique has 22,000 Koreans. That plus their POV-pushing means it's best not to cite them at all or believe any of their information. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Archive 7#Blanking of links for further discussion. Thanks, cab (talk) 00:44, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Latin America ≠ South America?

I just realised that Latin America ≠ South America. Ive just added Suriname to the list before I realised this (apparently Suriname is not part of Latin America). However, before I revert my additions, I just wanted to know if there is any good reason why this article was created in favor of, say, Asian South American? I would think that the latter being a more neutral geographic definition should be preferred instead of cultural or linguistic based definition of a geographic region. ќמшמφטтгמ^torque 08:31, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Latin America is not just the Romance language speaking countries and territories of South America. It also refers to the Romance language speaking countries and territories in Central America (e.g. Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Panama etc.), North America (Mexico) and the Caribbean (e.g. Cuba, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Puerto Rico, Guadeloupe, Martinique etc.).

Because of this changing the title from Asian Latin American to Asian South American wouldn't make sense as Asian communities in Latin American countries and territories that aren't located in South America are also being represented here. DaTraveller (talk) 15:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

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Inclusion of Arabs/Western Asians

I have made a bold edit and removed all references to Arabs/West Asians. The reason why I have removed them is because they have a different immigration/cultural tradition to those from East, South and Southeast Asia. For example, most Arabs that immigrated to Latin America were fair-skinned people from the Levant and thus have long been considered "White" and classified as "white" in national censuses in many Latin American countries (e.g. Brazil, Colombia, see also White Latin Americans). The majority are Christian and this distinction was also noted in Latin America. East Asians, South Asians and Southeast Asians, on the other hand, have had a different experience and have long been classified as "people from the East". For example, East Asians, South Asians and Southeast Asians were all called chinos which meant "Chinese" despite the fact that they came from many different Asian countries, such as the Philippines and India. Catarina de San Juan, for example, was a Chino from India and is responsible for the China poblana. (137.147.12.82 (talk) 03:01, 25 October 2017 (UTC))

I've re-added them a while back because this reasoning doesn't seem neutral/make sense. First off, East Asians have also been considered "White" in some contexts of Latin America's history. Like in Cuba Pg. 81 and Brazil pg. 273 Quote: The Japanese were sometimes considered white.

Secondly, most Latin American countries do not recognize "Asian" as a "race". Censuses for countries like Brazil,[19] Cuba and Uruguay use or have historically used the term "Yellow" (Amarela / Amarilla) to describe people of East Asian descent. Which would not apply to say, South Asians for example. And it seems like "White Asians" and "Yellow Asians" exist in Latin America. Unlike the U.S., which considers Asians to be a monolithic "race", even though South Asians and Southeast Asian descendants feel that there is racial differences between them and East Asians.See this study for example. Or this article which uses the term "Brown Asian" to separate some Asian groups from East Asians which were historically described as "Yellow" per the source. Because they feel that is many cultural/physical/racial differences between them.[20]

Countries like Brazil have classified West Asians as being some of their largest Asian communities.[21] See pg. 53 which mentions Lebanese and Syrians along with the Japanese and Chinese descendants. Direct quote: "descendentes e os asiáticos – japoneses, chineses, coreanos, libaneses, sírios". Just because Brazil may also consider West Asians to be "white", does not deny them as being "Asian". Again, not every country considers Asians to be a monolithic "race" like the United States census does.

This article from an Argentine news source describes West Asian immigrants as being "Asian", and being very "European-like" or whatever. Quote: "los más europeos del Asia y son sumisos y laboriosos".[22]

And West Asians, along with East Asians are the primary groups mentioned in this Latin American wide genetic study done by a Mexican university. See pg. 194-195.[23] Clear Looking Glass (talk) 23:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

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Arab latinos

better for Latin American Arabs to make them another article.

Gonzgam4562 (talk) 21:24, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Garzongam4562Gonzgam4562 (talk) 21:24, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

West Asians are included as some of the notable Asian descendant communities in Brazil.Pg. 53 And historically, immigrants from West Asia were described as being "Asian" per quotes from this Argentine newspaper.[24] And this Latin American wide study from a Mexican university describes West Asians and East Asians as being the main sources of Asian origins in Latin America.[25]

So I don't see why they should be excluded as a whole. Latin America is not the United States. And many censuses do not recognize "Asian" as being a "race". Otherwise, we might as well exclude every Asian descended community here that isn't East Asian. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 23:08, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

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Wrong numbers

This list is wrong lol there are 2 million Japanese-Brazilians alone. How could there only be 2 million Asian-Brazilians? Smfh 2600:1700:D07:6450:D5F3:2F29:BCC8:3DFF (talk) 06:21, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

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