Talk:Assassin's Creed Shadows
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Q1: Why is Yasuke described as a samurai, and not a retainer?
A1: A request for comment (Talk:Yasuke/Archive 3#RfC: Should the view that Yasuke was a samurai be added to the article) found, based on the reliable sources that exist on the topic, a clear consensus that Yasuke should be represented in the article as a samurai. Wikipedia describes things as they are described in reliable sources (see WP:NPOV). Any change to this consensus would likely require significant new sources to be presented. Q2: Why can't I use my own expertise or reading of the primary sources?
A2: Per WP:V, etc, content is determined by previously published information rather than editors' beliefs, opinions, experiences, or previously unpublished ideas or information. Even if you are sure something is true, it must have been previously published in a reliable source before you can add it.See also WP:OR, WP:NPOV for more information. |
Sweet Baby Inc.
editWhy wasn't it mentioned in regards to the Shadows controversy? The charges of racism are completely baseless. JBrownIII (talk) 15:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- No reliable source has mentioned Sweet Baby in regards to this. — Masem (t) 16:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ha! You mean this very site? Well I couldn't agree more. JBrownIII (talk) 18:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, I see a number of random YouTube videos, neogaf posts, and unreliable sites saying this game is ruined by SBI, but no RS has tied the dissentment about the inclusion of the one character as something that could be attributed to SBI. Keep in mind the RSes themselves are not critical of this choice, only reporting that some fans are upset over the choice. Masem (t) 18:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- the company consults on video game narratives during development to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion
- In 2023, the studio became the target of online users who claimed it promoted a "woke agenda".
- Steam user created a curator group listing Sweet Baby's work, encouraging players to avoid the games as the studio promoted a "woke agenda". The curator group, known as "Sweet Baby Inc detected", received increased attention in February when a Sweet Baby employee asked others to report the group and its creator for violating Steam's code of conduct. The group's creator accused Sweet Baby of censorship. By April, the group had more than 355,000 followers and a related Discord server had thousands of members. JBrownIII (talk) 05:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- And what does this have to do with the game...? λ NegativeMP1 06:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- nothing, absolutely nothing 75.163.149.56 (talk) 20:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Great contribution. JBrownIII (talk) 04:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- nothing, absolutely nothing 75.163.149.56 (talk) 20:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- And what does this have to do with the game...? λ NegativeMP1 06:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, I see a number of random YouTube videos, neogaf posts, and unreliable sites saying this game is ruined by SBI, but no RS has tied the dissentment about the inclusion of the one character as something that could be attributed to SBI. Keep in mind the RSes themselves are not critical of this choice, only reporting that some fans are upset over the choice. Masem (t) 18:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ha! You mean this very site? Well I couldn't agree more. JBrownIII (talk) 18:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Should we focus more on racism
editAs a Japanese man, it strikes me how many western publications want to denigrate Yasuke for not being born on this island. There are a lot of sources that discuss the racism, but its only mentioned once on the page. Should we add more about the sadness this has made in the Americas? 弥助は本物の忍者だった (talk) 04:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- We need reliable sources that specifically discuss and/or criticize the representation of Yasuke in the game itself. We know there are academic sources that discuss Yasuke as an historical figure outside the context of the game, certainly which Ubisoft used, but the "controversy" over how he appears in game was mostly driven by a small subset of gamers, to the point that most of the reliable gaming press mostly ignored it. Hence why it is only briefly touched on. Masem (t) 04:13, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- We could use
- https://time.com/6978997/assassins-creed-shadow-yasuke-controversy/
- https://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-shadows-yasuke-racism-george-floyd/
- https://kotaku.com/assassins-creed-shadows-yasuke-backlash-racist-elon-1851539007
- https://www.themarysue.com/assassins-creed-shadows-is-taking-heat-for-all-the-wrong-reasons/
- There are lots of others, but the entire George Floyd face video says it all about angry American gamers 弥助は本物の忍者だった (talk) 04:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Go ahead and try to add it. If there is an issue with it it can always be discussed later Trade (talk) 14:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- And please keep it NPOV this time Trade (talk) 15:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cool totally unbiased and very truthful sources there.
- I guess while we're at it we'll also keep ignoring the massive Japanese backlash against nearly every aspect of the game, not even just Ubisoft's lie about their depiction of Yasuke being based on historical fact. 2001:1970:5A1C:F700:CDF7:F8BF:8B23:4F77 (talk) 06:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Go ahead and try to add it. If there is an issue with it it can always be discussed later Trade (talk) 14:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
AC Liberation
editThe article wrongly states that Yasuka was "the second black protagonist in the series after Assassin's Creed Freedom Cry". This however ignores Assassin's Creed Liberation, whose protagonist is of Afro-French descent and should therefore also be considered black. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.90.180.137 (talk) 12:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)