Talk:Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Confused

Definetly confusing I thought it was the airstrike on lebenase hezbullah but this one is tehran so hense confused template ElijahPepe Baratiiman (talk) 03:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Not how you use the template. Apparently, I can't revert you, so the onus is on you to remove it. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

just because not everyone is reading gloval news 24 hours a day let's keep the thing Baratiiman (talk) 04:08, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Neither do I. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

"Palestinian resistence movement" is biased language.

Calling Hamas a resistence movement is highly biased language

"Haniyeh was a prominent figure within the Palestinian resistance movement since 1980." Especially considering it is considered a terrorist organisation by much of the western world. More appropriate wording would be "prominent within the Hamas movement" Yadinbro (talk) 05:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Even if so, I wonder who the hell made him a member of Hamas 7 years before it was founded. Borgenland (talk) 05:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Besides, per WP:ARBPIA and the banner on top of this page, non-extended confirmed accounts are allowed only to make straightforward edit requests here, and not to argue their personal POV. — kashmīrī ^TALK 08:59, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 July 2024

Would want to correct named reference ":2" to the following (can be found at the end of the "Killing" section):

It seems someone forgot a pipe symbol when listing the authors. Thanks in advance. TommyGundam (talk) 08:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

It's fixed. Thanks. David O. Johnson (talk) 09:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

References

Flagsoup

Suggest limiting the number of due country responses before we end up waiting for some Pacific island reaction. Borgenland (talk) 12:18, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Move

@Blackorchidd, @WeatherWriter, please don't move this page unilaterally. Start a WP:RM if you need to. Consider that "Murder of" might also be an option given it is being considered both a violation of local (Iranian) law and international law.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 11:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Agree, and undiscussed moves should be reverted. This was assassination, and we have already had a similar discussion at Talk:Assassination of Qasem Soleimani. Feel free to move back as I can't do that myself due to 1RR. — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Schwede66 since you move protected the page, can you determine which title it should remain at pending an RM? It was started at "killing of". I can't tell if it was a stub or not when it was moved to "assassination of".VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 12:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't mind. The important part is that we don't have redirects from the main page, hence if it gets moved, the admin should also adjust the ITN item. Schwede66 12:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 31 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved. The article is less than a day old. Give it some time before submitting another RM. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:18, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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Killing of Ismail Haniyeh → Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh – Leader of an organization was killed. By definition, an assassination. Following nearly 6+ unchallenged hours of the title being “assassination”, an undiscussed move occurred to change it to “killing”, despite a very obvious WP:COMMONNAME for “assassination”. Can we get a speedy close for this to revert this undiscussed move?

Uses for “assassination”:

1. Associated Press
2. CNN
3. Al Jazeera — Pro-Hamas
4. TIME
5. The Jerusalem Post — Pro-Israel
6. Reuters — Reactions: Includes foreign heads calling it “assassination”.
7. BBC
8. Fox News
9. CBS News
10. Forbes
11. The Washington Post
12. Haaretz
13. Euronews
14. NDTV
15. Indian Express
16. Axios

I will say, it appears NBC News does not actually say “assassination” and only “killed”, however, they include foreign head reactions which have “assassination” 8 times in their article. Still, a clear COMMONNAME/COMMONSTerm for “assassination”. I could go on listing news articles, but those above should be enough to revert this undiscussed move away from “assassination”. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 12:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Support per common usage. Borgenland (talk) 12:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Al Jazeera is not "pro-Hamas".VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 12:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:ALJAZEERA — “Some editors say that Al Jazeera, particularly Al Jazeera Arabic, is a partisan source on the Arab–Israeli conflict and on topics for which the Qatari government has a conflict of interest.” As far as Wikipedia’s reliable source policy is, they are partisan and anti-Israel…I.e. pro-Hamas/pro-Palestine. That part isn’t up for debate as it is fairly obvious they are partisan. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 12:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 July 2024 (2)

Add about how the chief was killed at about 2AM Iran time Ali1079 (talk) 14:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 14:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 July 2024 (3)

Under "Assassination", "Reactions > Palestine", and "Reactions > Other Countries", please link the words "zionist" to Zionism for clarity. 𝒫𝒶𝓉𝒶𝓉𝑒𝟛𝟚𝟜 (talk) 15:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Done AlexBobCharles (talk) 16:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Quote needs cleanup

 Implemented

The quote: "Khamenei later stated that "we consider it our duty to seek revenge for his [Haniyeh's] blood as he was 'martyred' in the territory of the Islamic Republic of Iran." should not include the single quotation mark around the word "martyred". Were those added for editorial irony? Not sure.

There should also be three periods before "we", as it's only part of the quote. The quote, as it appears in the source without being altered, is: "With this action, the criminal and terrorist Zionist regime prepared the ground for harsh punishment for itself, and we consider it our duty to seek revenge for his blood as he was martyred in the territory of the Islamic Republic of Iran." --Greens vs. Blacks (talk) 15:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

It was probably originally added because the government of iran tends to overuse martyr , but it doesnt seem objectionable in Haniye's case.

I removed it and added the full quote as Khamenei's opinion would be pretty important as Head of state of Iran AlexBobCharles (talk) 16:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Claimed "failed verification"

@AlexBobCharles: in this edit, you claimed that the Source doesnt support statement, even though it clearly states:

Haniyeh struck by a ‘missile from abroad’

Lebanese Al-Mayadeen TV reported that Ismail Haniyeh was struck by a missile launched from outside Iran. “The martyrdom of Haniyeh by a missile from abroad constitutes an act of aggression against Iran and demands a response,” it reported, quoting an Iranian source.

The Telegraph cannot independently confirm the report and Iran said the attack is under investigation.

Could you please restore the removed content? Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 16:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Reverted my edit , i must be blind for missing that AlexBobCharles (talk) 16:18, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

No worries and thanks again for self-reverting. M.Bitton (talk) 16:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 July 2024 (4)

Change "Hanieh" to "Haniyeh" in the funeral tab. Nicgraf (talk) 18:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Done Spelling has been corrected. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Misquote of Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim Al Thani

I'm too junior an editor to make this change myself, but there's a typo / quoting error in the quote from Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim Al Thani.

The article currently quotes him saying: "How can mediation succeed when one side assassinates negotiator on other side?" This is grammatically incorrect, and is not the actual quote; it's just the headline of the article cited.

The actual quote from the article is: "How can mediation succeed when one party assassinates the negotiator on other side?" See: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/how-can-mediation-succeed-when-one-side-assassinates-negotiator-on-other-side-qatari-premier/3290985 Mosi Nuru (talk) 18:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done, thanks. — kashmīrī ^TALK 19:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 July 2024 (5)

One of the last lines does not capitalize Middle East. It says "El Pais noted that Israel blames Iran as responsible for the instability in the middle east". Dyaquna (talk) 22:28, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

 Already done here. Left guide (talk) 22:42, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Elected?

The article says in the lede and somewhere else that the individual was "elected" head of Hamas political bureau. I can't find this supposed election anywhere online, nor in the article about this Hamas political bureau. In fact ABC says he merely "became" the head, according to the U.S. government. Similarly The New York Times fuzzily says he "had been heading Hamas’s political faction". Al Jazeera says "an independent [from PA] Hamas-led government in the Gaza Strip [was] headed by Haniyeh" without explaining how this came about. I think this should be stricken unless a reliable source can be found right away. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

The body cites BBC at end of paragraph, which says "elected." Levivich (talk) 23:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Hamas regularly announces (2012, 2017, 2021) that they've held elections to select new people for each post. These are party conventions, not primaries, and no one knows exactly who comprises the electorate. GordonGlottal (talk) 23:42, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Update on Mohammed Deif

In the "Killing of Hamas Officials" section it mentions some doubt about whether or not Mohammed Deif was killed in the airstrike. The IDF have confirmed (1st August) that he was indeed killed. Can someone change this section? His personal page Mohammed Deif also is in the past tense, so it makes sense to update his information on this page too. שי - LionFireKing404 11:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Let's wait for Hamas to confirm. IDF have lost a lot of their credibility lately. — kashmīrī ^TALK 23:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Iran Killed Haniyeh!

Media reports claim, Iran might be involved in the killing. This could be added to this article.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-killed-in-tehran-could-iranians-have-been-involved/articleshow/112201197.cms 103.29.116.83 (talk) 04:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

M.Bitton י - LionFireKing404 Borgenland Waterard Left guide with a request to execute the edit 103.29.116.83 (talk) 04:10, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:TOI offers guidance on the reliability of this source, which appears to be somewhere between no consensus and generally unreliable. Left guide (talk) 04:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Copyright

Is the image showing the aftermath on this NYT article copy right protected, can someone check please

• https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/middleeast/how-hamas-leader-haniyeh-killed-iran-bomb.html

Waleed (talk) 05:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 August 2024

The infobox of the article has the names of both people who were assasinated. I suggest adding "(Hamas leader)" to "Ismail Haniyeh", and adding "(bodyguard)" to "Wassim Abu Shaaban". Although the article does say that Shaaban was Haniyeh's bodyguard, the infobox telling you this as well would be nice, so a reader doesn't have to look at the article again. -Waterard ^water?(talk | contribs) 03:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

 Partly done: Infobox type changed, parameters updated — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:48, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Link to the gag name article in reference to "Amit Nakesh"

I think that the part about "Amit Nakesh" under Background subsection should link to the gag name article. it is a gag name, not a meme 46.116.39.183 (talk) 14:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Archive

Can someone archive the refs? Borgenland (talk) 15:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 August 2024 (2)

The Maldives has issued a brief statement condemning the assassination of Ismail Haniyeh, the Chief of the Political Bureau of Hamas, following criticism over the delay in addressing the matter. On Thursday, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs released a statement affirming the government's condemnation of the assassination. The statement emphasized the Maldives' call for all nations to adhere to international and humanitarian laws and to collaborate urgently to find a lasting resolution to the Gaza crisis, aiming to ensure peace and stability in the region.

Notably, on the same day that Haniyeh was assassinated, President Muizzu had expressed condolences to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi regarding the tragic landslides in Wayanad. However, the Maldivian government did not release any statement about Haniyeh’s assassination until the following day, leading to significant public scrutiny over the timing of its response AnonymousMDV (talk) 21:23, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

As stated above, You need to provide a clear "change X to Y". It is not clear what you want added AlexBobCharles (talk) 21:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done I ignored the second paragraph and added a mention of the Maldives' reaction per this official source.. M.Bitton (talk) 22:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 August 2024

Change The United States military deployed an additional F22 squadron, in Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh#Aftermath to something more like The United States announced the deployment of an additional F-22 squadron, AEagleLionThing (talk) 20:37, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Done Waleed (talk) 21:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

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