Talk:Assassination of Vladlen Tatarsky

The bomb was hidden inside a statue

"Tatarsky was presented with a statue which had a bomb hidden inside, according to Interior Ministry sources quoted by Russian state media." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65155075 Tdmurlock (talk) 20:48, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Window sign

The infobox photo legend mentions «a sign with their symbols behind the glass (lower right corner)», but I think it’s just the menu. Tuvalkin (talk) 23:12, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

The top says "Patriot bar" and according to the description in Commons the red-blue star is the symbol of "Cyber Front Z". Mellk (talk) 00:42, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Also here is the VK page where the logo is visible and additional information. Mellk (talk) 00:44, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Number of injured people

Please actualize: as of April 4, the number of injured people is 42, of which 24 remain in hospitals. Source: article just published by RIA Novosti. --Mikisavex (talk) 19:33, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

@Mikisavex Done. AgisdeSparte (talk) 23:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

The number of wounded people is still incorrect in the template card. VORON SPb (talk) 13:15, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@VORON SPb Done. AgisdeSparte (talk) 15:16, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

claim of responsibility by the National Republican Army

according to the Ukrainian Pravda ( https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/04/4/7396451/ ) russias National Republican army ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Republican_Army_(Russia) ) has claimed responsibility for this attack. If someone can find a reliable source for that, it should be integrated into the article. 1234567891011a (talk) 06:49, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

I was going to do it myself, but the page is currently protected and I am not yet an extended confirmed user. Schweinchen (talk) 21:15, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

@1234567891011a@Schweinchen Done. AgisdeSparte (talk) 23:36, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

This claim is most likely just a red herring, the existence of the Russian National Army is also dubious. Markscheider (talk) 05:45, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@Markscheider I added the mention that they claimed the attack in the infobox, to keep things nuanced. However, the NRA seems to be a relatively young organization, and when a terrorist movement is founded, it can be difficult to be sure of their existence in the first months/years of it's existence, that's why I agreed with the request of @1234567891011a and @Schweinchen. Moreover, it's the only clear claim on the responsability, Russia is accusing Ukraine, Ukraine is accusing domestic terrorism, Prigozhin says it's not Ukraine and the Russian opposition says it's the FSB. Then, I think it's more suitable to put NRA (who claimed the attack) in the main organization but to keep the other claims in the article, just in case it's not them and we must change that attribution later.

Cordially, AgisdeSparte (talk) 11:47, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

My, this thing has "SBU" written all over the place, in big bold letters. Phew. Markscheider (talk) 16:18, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Making bold assumptions about attackers is WP:OR. Are there any reliable sources backing up your claims? Page is also under contentious topics, so we should stick to policies and guidleines even more strictly. A09 (talk) 16:55, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Could someone please fix the typo in the infobox? Right now it says *responsability instead of responsibility. Thanks in advance. Schweinchen (talk) 19:54, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

The claim can be mentioned but any more is WP:UNDUE. Most news sources haven't reported on it. It is based on a Telegram post spread by a Ukraine-based former politician (who is not considered trustworthy as a source of information) and previous claims were considered dubious. Mellk (talk) 00:46, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Also the lead includes information not mentioned in the body. The details of the accusations should be moved to the body and summarized in the lead. Mellk (talk) 00:55, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

It definitely needs to be mentioned in this case, in my opinion, since they're the only ones claiming responsibility amidst the mutual accusations and subsequent denials of any involvement. Also, whether a source is "trustworthy" or not – we don't do that at all on Wikipedia, but WP:NPOV. And several reputable sources have reported on it. Schweinchen (talk) 10:58, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it is already mentioned. But my point is, there should not be undue detail on it. The Reuters article for example does not give too much detail on this and notes: "His assertion and the group's existence could not be independently verified by Reuters" which could be included here. Mellk (talk) 12:52, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. I agree. Schweinchen (talk) 18:28, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

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Trepova Arrest Date

The "Investigation and Legal Proceedings" section cites a charge date of April 4, and an arrest date of June 2. This is a misattribution of the source of the claim ([1]https://meduza.io/news/2023/04/04/arestovana-darya-trepova-obvinyaemaya-po-delu-o-terakte-v-peterburge) which in fact states that she is to be detained until June 2 (presumably a sort of pre-trial detention period). 67.171.70.154 (talk) 01:44, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 16:27, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that blogger Vladlen Tatarsky was killed by a bomb hidden in his bust? Source: Source: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/04/2/7396132/
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  • Comment: This hook was already promoted, but needs credits so I have created a nomination

Created by Mellk (talk). Nominated by BorgQueen (talk) at 16:24, 9 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/2023 Saint Petersburg bombing; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• was already promoted as a double. Bruxton (talk) 16:28, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Prep 6

Requested move 19 June 2023

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium (talk) 16:24, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

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2023 Saint Petersburg bombing → Assassination of Vladlen Tatarsky – The current title is a bit like calling the Assassination of John F. Kennedy the 1963 Dallas, Texas shooting Bremps... 02:33, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nominator. Killuminator (talk) 06:10, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
• Comment. I don't recall 42 other people being injured in the assassination of JFK! -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:34, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

  There were a few other injuries and he killed a policeman too but the deaths, not injuries, are the highlight. Killuminator (talk) 19:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

• Neutral can see the reasoning, despite the others wounded. But the issue is how this was/is reported. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Support. Supported by the WP:criteria of recognizability and precision.  —Michael Z. 19:36, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Support - In the case of the wounded, it is better to look at the murder and assassination of other people, which includes notable people:

• Assassination of Qasem Soleimani: 9 more people were killed
• Killing of Osama bin Laden: 4 more people were killed
• Assassination of John F. Kennedy: one more person was killed and two others were wounded
• Assassination of Benazir Bhutto: 23 more people were killed

Parham wiki (talk) 20:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 September 2023

it was a terrorist attacking stop with the bias Napalm Guy (talk) 15:26, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – robertsky (talk) 15:30, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Darya Trepova

The article should be linked to Darya Trepova. 50.237.173.2 (talk) 05:30, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done, thanks--Ymblanter (talk) 15:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)