Talk:Associate international cricket in 2023

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All active editors need to be aware that not every series should have an article, due to necessary notability and local media coverage. Please see the following suggested guidelines. Note that this is not an officially agreed set of rules, but a suggestion for future seasons.

Series to include on the season summary article (like this):

• All T20I/WT20I World Cup qualifiers, even those including one or more Full Members
• Any other events with T20I/WT20I status that are not included on the equivalent International cricket season
• Selected events without T20I/WT20I status, such as regular regional tournaments (e.g., Baltic Cup)
• 50-over events without ODI status that are part of qualification for regional events (e.g., ACC Premier Cup for the Asia Cup)

Series that should have an article:

• All T20I/WT20I World Cup qualifiers
• Cricket tournaments that are part of a multi-sport event (e.g., Commonwealth/Pacific/Asian/African/South Asian Games)
• Regional championships (e.g., South American Championship, Pacific Cup)
• Other regular or long-standing and well-covered events (e.g., Kwibuka, Inter-Insulars)
• Any other T20I/WT20I series that involves at least one side with current ODI status

Series that should not have an article:

• T20I/WT20I bilateral series that do not meet any of the above criteria
• Multi-team tournaments between the smallest teams that do not meet any of the above criteria and do not have fairly significant media coverage

Bs1jac (talk) 14:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Divide

@Bs1jac: Mentioning just you at the moment, might extend to others if you happen to be on board

I was thinking- is there any chance we could use the same notation for men's and women's international cricket formats? As in instead of using Test/ODI/T20I for men (no gender mentioned) and WTest/WODI/WT20I for women (gender specifically mentioned), could we use the no-gender notation for all of them when context makes mentioning the gender redundant (and use the gender for both when it's needed)? This is mostly concerning the series and tournament articles, where something like this could be written:

• [[X national cricket team|X men's cricket team]] toured Y in *date* to play three [[Twenty20 International]] (T20I) matches.
• [[X women's national cricket team|X women's cricket team]] toured Y in *date* to play three [[Women's Twenty20 International|Twenty20 International]] (T20I) matches.

Kindly do let me know in case this actually would be possible to implement. Thanks. মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 00:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Mashfi23 I would be happy with that. I particularly hate using "WT20I series" in headings. Bs1jac (talk) 07:22, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Although probably not when talking about records in the scorecard summary. e.g. someone scores the first century for a team in WT20Is, as this avoids confusion. Bs1jac (talk) 07:26, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, of course. I actually had this in mind for the records- "made his/her ODI debut", "scores his/her first century in T20Is", "became the first player XYZ to take a hat-trick in men's/women's T20Is"

Ideally the titles for the series articles should also include the gender, both "men's cricket team" and "women's cricket team"... I think something like this already is in place for field hockey articles. মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 09:25, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Mashfi23 Undecided on article titles, although from an equality point of view you are probably correct. On that subject I have never understood why men's tours generally use the denonym (e.g. English or Nigerian cricket team in), but for women's series we don't (e.g. England women's cricket team in...). I dislike the denonyms as it implies "a Nigerian team" rather than "THE Nigeria team"... but that's not a battle I have the time to fight! Bs1jac (talk) 21:30, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Could've been great if we could both not use the demonyms and use the gender in the titles... but now that you mention it, is there any actual Wikipedia policy about having demonym-no gender for men's titles and no demonym-gender for women's? Don't remember seeing anything like that মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 22:01, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Only just seen this... I don't think there is a policy, more a convention based on previous editors. I would be happy going forward to create any series without denonym but I don't create FM stuff so we could get some inconsistency. Whether or not that matters, I don't really know, given that we already have differences between men's and women's series in that regard. Bs1jac (talk) 10:29, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: A case can always be made for a particular page to get its title changed if it's needed, although that can be time-consuming if it's done for multiple articles (maybe something could be said in WP:CRICKET discussions too) মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 10:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Nordic Cup 2023

@Bs1jac, not sure how to note it, but Nordic Cup 2023, will also have have two non T20I played by Denmark A against Sweden A and Norway A to make it a double round robin. Moedk (talk) 21:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Moedk Ah I was wondering how they were sorting the unbalanced schedule. Will have a think... depends if we crate an article for this or not (I am trying to encourage the group to stick more strictly to GNG); this should get an article so long as there are plenty of good sources, in which case we can tag in the non-t20is. Either way, on the season page, we could add the games. Bs1jac (talk) 21:20, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Shall Asia Cup be in 2023 season since it starts on 31 August? I notice it was placed in 2023-24 season. Carrythebat (talk) 17:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry only just saw this. Yes we moved it to 2023. In fact, according to Cricinfo's description of "seasons", 2023 should be (in general) anything starting from April to September, i.3. 6 months per season (April-September, October-December). Trying to implement this going forward. Bs1jac (talk) 10:26, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Thailand Women in Netherland

It looks like Thailand and Netherland women are also playing ODIs, I'm on mobile so not going to make the edir [1]https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/thailand-women-in-netherlands-2023-1384539/match-schedule-fixtures-and-results Moedk (talk) 06:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Suggest moving Asian Games and the men's America's qualifier to 2023-24

@Mashfi23: I suggest moving these two events to the 2023-24 season as they start right at the end of September and the bulk of the events are in October. Also I see someone has added a few full member series for September to International cricket in 2023–24; suggest leaving those for now... Late September is the grey area in this divide. Finally, looks like the Asian Games are in both the FM and Associate calendars; again its one of those borderline events where most is AM but of some a few big FMs are involved. Bs1jac (talk) 09:37, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I think I'd prefer the Asian Games being in the main article rather than the associate one... and maybe we can start "enforcing" the 6 months-6 months divide more from the next season onward (as this was the first time the April/September matter was brought up in this way) মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 10:42, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Germany playing internationals against Austria?

@Bs1jac: What is this series about suddenly? Don't think they were ever supposed to play T20Is, but now ESPNcricinfo is showing them as such (they had "unofficial T20I" written before) and this announcement also mentions T20Is. What's happening? মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 12:43, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mashfi23 I would ignore the socials... often use t20i to mean any international regardless of status. They also posted that their under 15 were playing "ODIs". Cricinfo told me they are unofficial (of course that might change though, Germany are fielding two teams so might be some confusion) Bs1jac (talk) 14:06, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: Nothing at all mentioned by Austria in their socials (as far as I see), which is a bit unusual for the Austrian women's team. মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 14:12, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mashfi23 i think its an unofficial event, with the MCC Bs1jac (talk) 14:14, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: Hopefully that's the case.
By the way, might just ask you this other question here- if – hypothetically – we have articles here for the upcoming Indonesia-Kenya bilateral series and the tri-series with Qatar, would you have them in separate articles or combine them into one article? মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 14:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mashfi23 I would definitely combine. Neither likely to have much coverage but could just about be ok between them. Also cuts down the number of articles and makes sense given the squads will be the same. Basically one tour. Bs1jac (talk) 15:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Very much understandable, thanks a lot. Now I guess it's just waiting and seeing what happens to the Germany-Austria series মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 15:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: About the Indonesia events, someone online said that they've been canceled due to Kenya not being able to travel- but I don't see any such information anywhere, everything still has the series/matches listed as usual. Can you look into this if possible? মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 13:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mashfi23 Hi. I was out all day today and havent seen anything yet (just catching up on today's games!). Will have a look in the morning... might be info by then. Bs1jac (talk) 20:31, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Malaysia vs Hong Kong women

@Bs1jac:Crictracker is showing an ongoing wt20i series going on between Malaysia women and Hongkong. Aren't those supposed to be here? Mitratanmoy (talk) 19:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Greece quadrangular

@Bs1jac How come no one managed to get complete info for the matches of this tournament, in 2023 no less? I mean... ESPNcricinfo, CricketArchive, ICC (website)– no one seems to have gotten anything. I know it's already been a long time, but this still makes me think once in a while মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 19:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)