Talk:Atomic Heart/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Goodday, im b33tler, and im here to educate people who show interest in this game. I hope we can all make a wonderful page together. Cheers B33tler (talk) 18:25, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

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Robert Bagratuni --- not his real name? (and other shady goings-on)

Sources like this one (https://stopgame.ru/newsdata/36831/sluh_u_atomic_heart_vs_ochen_ploho_rukovodstvo_nekompetentnoe_a_programmistov_net_obnovleno) are saying that Mundfish's CEO, known as Robert Bagratuni, his real name is actually Maxim Zatsepin.

I write this out in the context of new information relating to the shady goings-on in the background of the Ukraine war. (https://www.komputerswiat.pl/gamezilla/artykuly/rosyjska-gra-trafi-na-swiatowe-rynki-gracze-chca-bojkotu/05bc0rl)

How Mundfish is funded by Russian companies with stakes in Ukraine. (https://ain.capital/2023/01/17/atomic-heart-will-be-released-in-february-its-a-russian-game-backed-by-ex-gazprom/)

How Mundfish's privacy policy aims to collect gamers' data for the FSB. (https://ain.capital/2023/01/25/russian-developers-of-atomic-heart-collect-gamers-data-for-the-fsb-via-its-website/)

Something to think about anyway. JustAnotherNZWikipedian (talk) 07:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

It's a Russia produced game

This should be included prominently in the wikipedia page - the question is, whereabouts in the article? Last edit inserting it near the top was removed accusing editor of 'bias'. I re-inserted. I wouldn't say it's biased to mention Artyom Galeev's background 46.208.254.247 (talk) 22:56, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Edits from new account whitewashing Russia links

This seems extremely suspect and problematic - some new users have a clear agenda in editing out provable links to Russia's security services and the identity of the game creators Joshua the cat (talk) 16:55, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Genre backwards

Currently on the page:

"Atomic Heart is an FPS video game with action role-playing elements.[4]"

But what's actually at that source reference:

"action / RPG with FPS elements"

Probably should be fixed? TrackZero (talk) 21:57, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Most recent suspect edits are from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AH_AMENDMENTS&action=edit&redlink=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshua the cat (talk • contribs) 16:56, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Atomic heary genre sources https://www.cbr.com/atomic-heart-game-changer-fps/ https://www.escapistmagazine.com/what-type-of-game-is-atomic-heart/ MrDante1047 (talk) 12:46, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Genre of atomic heart

I just looked at the official developers site and there it claims So please dont remove my edit as i do find it difficult to put the refefence in the link Atomic Heart is an adventure role-playing action game with a closed world, which takes place in an alternative Soviet Union of 1955.

https://atomic.mundfish.com/en.html MrDante1047 (talk) 14:08, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Editing of atomic heart

Its what the sources saym i have info from develolers website Mundfish

https://atomic.mundfish.com/en.html

"Atomic Heart is an adventure role-playing action game with a closed world, which takes place in an alternative Soviet Union of 1955." MrDante1047 (talk) 01:14, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Atomic heart editing

As i said i have reliable source from developers website claiming atomic heart is adventure ,action rpg . You delete the edit. As i said i cannot put in the article because i dont lnow the technical "know how". Please put it there. And herein dont neglect an edit you know is true MrDante1047 (talk) 22:54, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

https://atomic.mundfish.com/en.html

Atomic Heart is an adventure role-playing action game with a closed world, which takes place in an alternative Soviet Union of 1955.

MrDante1047 (talk) 23:04, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Information taken from developers Mundfish website . So it is reliable,please dont delete it MrDante1047 (talk) 23:05, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

It is still mostly a FPS (main genre). It may have elements of other game genres, but it is mostly not considered as a fully-fledged RPG. Same goes for other FPS with RPG elements (e.g. Far Cry). We need multiple reliable, secondary sources to describe the game as primarily a RPG to merit its inclusion in infobox. OceanHok (talk) 04:08, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

WP:PRIMARY. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 01:13, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

It is from drveloper Mundfish info. Its not FPS because fps relies on shooting only. Tje game features weapons seinging mrchanism ehich isnt part of fps. Other game websites cant give info as good as the developer itself MrDante1047 (talk) 01:16, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

What other sources you may need outsode of the very same develoers website ?? Which sure is the best reliable source. Since when did games have only one genre and why cant other genres be filled in the gente box. Genres arent singular in fiction.

https://atomic.mundfish.com/en.html

https://www.cbr.com/atomic-heart-game-changer-fps/

"Described as an action-RPG, Atomic Heart allows players to progress by wielding a diverse set of craftable, upgradeable, and interchangeable weapons, abilities, and kits"

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/what-type-of-game-is-atomic-heart/

MrDante1047 (talk) 01:21, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Editing of atomic heart

PEOPLE !!! Stoo describing atomic heart as fps it doesnt rely mostly in gun combat. Its actiin adventire as described in various sources !!

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/what-type-of-game-is-atomic-heart/

"Atomic Heart Is a First-Person Action Game with RPG Elements, a Little Like BioShock You’ll employ a range of FPS-style weapons, in addition to using superpowers to take on your foes"

https://atomic.mundfish.com/en.html (developers official website)

"Atomic Heart is an adventure role-playing action game with a closed world, which takes place in an alternative Soviet Union of 1955. Science, equality and fraternity are the main symbols of Freedom in this reality."

https://gamerant.com/atomic-heart-rpg-elements-good-loot-upgrades-combat-gameplay/

"Despite being more of an action FPS, Atomic Heart manages to smartly implement several RPG features that make it one of a kind."

https://www.cbr.com/atomic-heart-game-changer-fps/

"Described as an action-RPG, Atomic Heart allows players to progress by wielding a diverse set of craftable, upgradeable, and interchangeable weapons, abilities, and kits."

Infos from respectable descriptions from these sources ! MrDante1047 (talk) 01:35, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/what-type-of-game-is-atomic-heart/

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/what-type-of-game-is-atomic-heart/

"Atomic Heart Is a First-Person Action Game with RPG Elements, a Little Like BioShock You’ll employ a range of FPS-style weapons, in addition to using superpowers to take on your foes"

https://atomic.mundfish.com/en.html (developers official website)

"Atomic Heart is an adventure role-playing action game with a closed world, which takes place in an alternative Soviet Union of 1955. Science, equality and fraternity are the main symbols of Freedom in this reality."

https://gamerant.com/atomic-heart-rpg-elements-good-loot-upgrades-combat-gameplay/

"Despite being more of an action FPS, Atomic Heart manages to smartly implement several RPG features that make it one of a kind."

https://www.cbr.com/atomic-heart-game-changer-fps/

"Described as an action-RPG, Atomic Heart allows players to progress by wielding a diverse set of craftable, upgradeable, and interchangeable weapons, abilities, and kits."

Infos from respectable descriptions from these sources MrDante1047 (talk) 02:02, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

WW = Western world?

Someone decided, just before the full lock, that "WW" stood for "Western world" (in this diff). Could this tiny detail be fixed? I know, I know, I sound like I'm saying admins always lock the wrong version, but hey. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 07:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Full lock?

Hi Deepfriedokra, did you meant to do a full edit lock? From what I gather from the history, it's mostly anon IPs and newly established editors making trouble. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 20:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Soetermans: Tough call to have to make. There was edit warring involving extended confirmed editors, and I cannot give them an advantage by blocking everyone else.-- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Deepfriedokra, sorry to press the matter, but I see that MrDante1047 has been blocked for a week since earlier today. There are a lot newly created accounts, they can't be extended confirmed already. Am I missing something? soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 20:56, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Basically, @Soetermans, extended confirmed editors (such as myself) were part of the conflict. Hence why the full lock instead of just an EC lock. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 07:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Can we revert a recent edit?

Page is locked at the moment.

I would like to suggest that this edit gets reverted:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1141925888

Original statements were well referenced (ars, RU media). Would someone be able to do this? Joshua the cat (talk) 16:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Maybe :@Soetermans: can help? Joshua the cat (talk) 20:12, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Joshua the cat, I do not have those abilities. Deepfriedokra does though. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 20:47, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Looks like the content in question that the edit warring was about. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:42, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I thought the warring was about it being a FPS or not. But this warrants inclusion IMO and is actually referenced with credible sources, the account that removed it seems to have an intense interest in obfuscating this info Joshua the cat (talk) 23:21, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Basic Grammar

"Atomic Heart is an first-person shooter...". Can anyone see the problem with that sentence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.94.37.47 (talk) 13:05, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Got reported but showed proofs in the work of editing

Showing true evidences but still etting reported by Liliana

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/what-type-of-game-is-atomic-heart/ Close Editing of atomic heart PEOPLE !!! Stoo describing atomic heart as fps it doesnt rely mostly in gun combat. Its actiin adventire as described in various sources !!

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/what-type-of-game-is-atomic-heart/

"Atomic Heart Is a First-Person Action Game with RPG Elements, a Little Like BioShock You’ll employ a range of FPS-style weapons, in addition to using superpowers to take on your foes"

https://atomic.mundfish.com/en.html (developers official website)

"Atomic Heart is an adventure role-playing action game with a closed world, which takes place in an alternative Soviet Union of 1955. Science, equality and fraternity are the main symbols of Freedom in this reality."

https://gamerant.com/atomic-heart-rpg-elements-good-loot-upgrades-combat-gameplay/

"Despite being more of an action FPS, Atomic Heart manages to smartly implement several RPG features that make it one of a kind."

https://www.cbr.com/atomic-heart-game-changer-fps/

"Described as an action-RPG, Atomic Heart allows players to progress by wielding a diverse set of craftable, upgradeable, and interchangeable weapons, abilities, and kits."

Infos from respectable descriptions from these sources ! MrDante1047 (talk) 01:51, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Your sources clearly say it is a "FPS with RPG elements" and "more of an action FPS" than a RPG. Yours sources kinda validate our points. Anyway, BioShock, Far Cry, Doom Eternal, even Deathloop are simply listed as FPS and in these games, you also do more than just shooting. These are all FPS with elements of other game genres, but that doesn't mean we need to list them all in the infobox. OceanHok (talk) 11:17, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Why you shouldnt list them if genre box isnt primary nor does it say that genre descriptions should be only singular. I showed proof from Mundfish site whoever blocked me didnt want to consider the fact that it was an info from the developer itself sayits its an adventure action rpg . Mundfish info is in the sources above MrDante1047 (talk) 23:21, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

The game is glorifying totalitarian Soviet regime

[1] The game is romanticizing communist ideology and the Soviet Union which is responsible for many human rights violations, mass killings, concentration camps, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, genocides, poverty of its citizens and so on. 176.120.101.204 (talk) 04:57, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Grunt, dear ukrainian fella 188.186.119.210 (talk) 19:36, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

This Ukrainian guy clearly didn't read the article. The author played the game and noticed that the in game USSR is depicted as a dystopia.--121.44.24.150 (talk) 13:22, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

English page for Twins?

can we get a page in ENG? Joy Revision (talk) 12:30, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't think they meet standalone notability. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 13:06, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2023

Hello, I wanted to add for visibility that the game registered over 5 million players in first 3 weeks, it seems like company has announced it few days ago: https://wccftech.com/atomic-heart-registered-over-5-million-players-in-first-3-weeks/ AH AMENDMENTS (talk) 22:01, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:41, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 24 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Silikonz💬 13:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

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• Atomic Heart (video game) → Atomic Heart
• Atomic Heart → Atomic Heart (disambiguation)

– There is no question this page is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by pageviews for the title, with the album getting barely any views. The video game has been more popular since its announcement years ago, and is unlikely to match the album's views for many, many years. In reality, the disambiguation page shouldn't need to exist per WP:ONEOTHER, but I am listing it in case any quibblers oppose it on those grounds. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Support per nom. Also, let's put a hatnote on Atomic Heart (video game) to Atomic Heart (album) per WP:ONEOTHER.  – CityUrbanism 🗩 🖉 15:43, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Support per nom. Also I favor of just deleting the dab page for now. Hat notes on each article are enough as long as there's just 2. Sergecross73 msg me 18:06, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Support per nom. ReneeWrites (talk) 08:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Support per nom. At least there wasn't plenty video game titled Atomic Heart other than this. VernardoLau (talk) 07:31, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Support because video game is a main use of this title, so disambig would be dubbed as (disambiguation)--Orange-kun (talk) 20:35, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.