Talk:Atrium, Cardiff

Proposed changes

Hi, I work at the university and have noticed a number of factual inaccuracies in this article. Yes, I work in the marketing department and, yes, I'm very, vry aware that PRs wading into social media articles can raise critical ethics-and-etiquette issues - so I'm first going to detail my proposed changes here in the backchannel, so I can put them out there for others to pick up...

6. Schools and Departments should be "Faculties and Departments". In August, the university switched from a schools- to a faculties-based academic structure.

This means that all the presently-detailed schools should be removed and replaced by the following faculties, which you can find at the university website's Faculties & Departments page (http://www.glam.ac.uk/facultiesdepts/)...

• Cardiff School of Creative & Cultural Industries (http://cci.glam.ac.uk)
• Faculty of Health, Sport and Science (http://hesas.glam.ac.uk)
• Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences (http://hass.glam.ac.uk)
• Faculty of Advanced Technology (http://fat.glam.ac.uk/)
• Glamorgan Business School (http://bus.glam.ac.uk)
• An additional faculty now is the Faculty of Further Education and Collaborative Activites, following the merger of Merthyr Tydfil College with Glamorgan earlier this year (this has now happened so the section "Expansion: 2005 to 2007" can be amended to this effect).

Centre for Lifelong Learning can be retained as it was not a school.

I see someone has already mentioned the Creative school (above) in the Expansion section. This is a new campus due to open in Cardiff in September 2007 to deliver training and education in creative industries subjects. It's kind of a big deal.

This is the first time I have contributed here. Clearly there would be issues over whether I can contribute with an NPOV, but, at the same time, there are some factual inaccuracies here that would be best corrected.

I would rather someone with an NPOV make the changes but, if no-one has made the changes themselves in several days' time, I'll probably do it myself.

Lots more information on http://www.glam.ac.uk for fact-checking purposes.

Remember though the university website is very one-sided and therefore we should avoid basing the article largely on what is found on the site. Supposed 15:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Just to let you know - I have now gone ahead and corrected the schools lists to reflect the faculties structure.

House rents in the area

Okay, are house rents in the area relatively expensive or relatively cheap? Special:Contributions/82.11.175.120 seems to think that they are relatively expensive, but Special:Contributions/82.11.166.252 seems to think that they are cheap, having changed 82.11.175.120's contribution. Some citations to clear this up, perhaps? Cheers, Stannered 00:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Rents will 'probably'be cheaper because not only is this university located in Wales but it's in the coal mining valleys where most of the housing is terrace housing. I've driven past this university and there is even terrace housing that only has one floor?! :-/ I thought that very odd indeed. Supposed 11:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

University ratings

(I'm posting this to all articles on UK universities as so far discussion hasn't really taken off on Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities.)

There needs to be a broader convention about which university rankings to include in articles. Currently it seems most pages are listing primarily those that show the institution at its best (or worst in a few cases). See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities#University ratings. Timrollpickering 21:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

POV?

"The University of Glamorgan is one of the most cutting edge higher educational institutions in the United Kingdom. Several of its courses are among the highest ranked in their field, and the equipment of some departments (most notably the Nursing School) is second to none in the UK."

I'm sure the University is great but the above seems pretty POV really. I mean this isn't a preimier university, it's good but it's not at the cutting edge at all. Surely the best nursing schools are located in Universities that have schools of medicine, I don't think Glamorgan has one.

This University is 74th in this years Times good university guide, that's almost in the lowest quarter of Universities listed there.

It's nice to see the School of Nursing is joint 16th, well played Glamorgan.

Supposed 00:02, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The University of Glamorgan is a cutting edge institution, not only is it Wales second University but the fact that it is rated one of the best modern new Universities in the UK, the considerable sums of investment spent on modern up to date equipment and its modern teaching methods support this view.

The Times good University guide is purely the view of the Times newspaper, if you check the league table constructed by other leading newspapers you will note that the ranking of Glamorgan is much higher.

How can you suggest that the best nursing schools are located in Universities that have medical school, training to become a medical practioner and a nurse are two very different vocations. The suggestion is unfounded and unsubstantiated, it would be similar to a suggestion that the best law schools are located in Universities that have arts schools.

It seems this is all made up

The equipment is excellent but the carpark is a nightmare, gotta stop lettin the english in maybe? or raise the entrance standards

cough: or just make bigger parking? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skipper is (talk • contribs) 20:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

haha, no they couldn't possibly do that, they had to waste millions on a new campus, still at least all the drama queens are out of our labs now, most of them could barely turn a PC on, now if only we could rid ourselves of the sports students... 87.112.17.255 (talk) 23:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC) (user:Lovefist233 CBA to sign in)

Independence from University of Wales

It is the only university in Wales that is completely independent from the federal University of Wales.

Cardiff's been independent for a while now, hasn't it? The Wednesday Island 21:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

See University of Wales#Affiliated/Linked Institutions. Cardiff is still affiliated, although not a member; Glamorgan is not and has never been (to my knowledge) affiliated. Stannered 21:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• Cardiff University became independent from the University of Wales in 2004 (?) after merging with the Wales College of Medicine. However, it still retains many ties and all 2007 graduates will graduate with a University of Wales, Cardiff - as opposed to a Cardiff University - degree. 14:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Proposed GPS co-ordinates

Could we add a GPS co-ordinates to the article to locate the university?

I've got the co-ordinates for the university's North Gate; 51.59012, -3.32691 http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.59012,+-3.32691&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl

Tell me what you guys think. Shin-chan01 (talk) 18:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I found some GPS coordinates for the approximate "centre" of the University, while neglecting the student accommodation blocks; 51.58924, -3.32721 http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.58924,+-3.32721

I don't think everyone's going to agree with this, though.

Please note to take visual parallax error into account when viewing compiled aerial/satellite photographs of the map itself.

Some additional co-ordinates:

• G-Block 51.58912, -3.32811
• The "Gallery" 51.58920, -3.32898

88.105.16.47 (talk) 18:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The only thing that coordinates for the gallery should be used is an airstrike, I hate that place, its like a school canteen Lovefist233 (talk) 08:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed unsourced materials

Awards

• The University of Glamorgan has been rated the most environmentally friendly university in Wales in the 2007 "Green League Table" published in the Times Higher Education Supplement (THES) and produced by People & Planet. The University also scored the fourth place UK wide in the same league table.
• Glamorgan is the first university in Wales (and only the 8th in the whole of the UK) to have been awarded the nationally recognised Investor in People status, the UK's premier award for staff training and development. [1]
• In 2000, The Daily Telegraph reported that Glamorgan is in the top five of modern universities for teaching quality.

88.105.27.128 (talk) 19:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Proposed changes to Academic rankings

Academic rankings

UK

	2008
Times Good University Guide	65th of 113
Guardian University Guide	54.84%
Sunday Times University Guide	95th of 123

Comparisons;

Times Good University Guide out of 113:

• 1st Oxford University 1000
• 2nd Cambridge University 995
• 28th Cardiff University 658
• 65th Glamorgan University 397
• 113th Liverpool Hope University 191

Guardian University Guide:

• Oxford University 95.31%
• Cambridge University 91.94%
• Cardiff University 66.51%
• Glamorgan University 54.84%
• Liverpool Hope University 39.43%
• Middlesex University 37.88%

Sunday Times University Guide out of 123:

• 1st Oxford University 985
• 2nd Cambridge University 963
• 28th Cardiff University 716
• 95th Glamorgan University 449
• 118th Liverpool Hope University 382
• 123rd Anglia Ruskin University 357

Some maths...(Not unnecessarily to be included on article)

Calculating the average(s) from all three for Glamorgan University; ((449 / 1 000) + (54.84 / 100) + (397 / 1 000)) / 3 ≈ 46.48% ≈ 464.8/1000

• Oxford; ((1 000 / 1 000) + (95.31 / 100) + (985 / 1 000)) / 3 ≈ 97.93%≈ 979.3/1000
• Cardiff; ((658 / 1 000) + (66.51%) + (716 / 1 000)) / 3 ≈ 67.97% ≈ 679.7/1000
• Liverpool Hope; ((191 / 1 000) + (39.43%) + (382 / 1 000)) / 3 ≈ 32.24% ≈ 322.4/1000

• Oxford/Glamorgan ratio≈ 2.11
• Cardiff/Glamorgan≈ 1.46
• Liverpool_Hope/Glamorgan≈ 0.69 (Maybe it is a poor University, in terms of quality)

88.105.27.128 (talk) 19:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

yeah the rankings make glamorgan look bad, but how do they calculate them? how much of the score is based on politics and money? unistats.com would be a good place to check if the glamorgan students could even be bothered to do the survey... (user:Lovefist233 again) 87.112.17.255 (talk) 00:00, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

References

Unusual tagging

This article is tagged {{globalize/UK}} and {{Inappropriate tone}}. Is the tone really that bad, and since when does an article about a Welsh university need a worldwide viewpoint? Astronaut (talk) 02:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I think it's there for the international students to see before they decide to join this university. About 1/8 of the students are not from the U.K. I think some organizations or individuals outside the UK should have the right to express their views relating to this university.

To me, the overall tone does slightly sound like an advert shifting away from the regular NPOV. May need some cleanup plus negative padding just to balance it a bit. (I didn't put that {{Inappropriate tone}} up). There's no denying that there are too many sources being linked to the university's website, introducing a possible bias on their sources.

I'd say {{Inappropriate tone}} stays.

Shin-chan01 (talk) 00:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the {{globalize}} tags should be used where a subject does not cover an international point of view when it really should. So, for example, if an article about football referees only mentioned aussie rules football, or an article about the death penalty only covered singaporean law, then that tag would be appropriate. However, if the article is about croissants, TriBeCa, or a Welsh university then perhaps such a tag is unnecessary.

As for the {{Inappropriate tone}} tag, I think this is usually used where the article content is unsuitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia such as: first person narratives, personal anecdotes, slander, libel, overwhelmingly positive/negative content, and so on.

Yes, the article is in need of improvement, but it does have most of the sections present in other UK university articles. Perhaps a short list of notable alumni could be added to the article, and the reference list tidied up so the formatting looked consistant. Otherwise perhaps a trimming of the "reputation" section would make it sound less like an advert/prospectus, and if you know of something bad to say that is constructive (but not a first person narrative, personal anecdote, slander, or libel), and you can cite a verifiable and reliable source. However, this is more an issue of adopting a neutral point of view than an issue of inappropriate tone. Perhaps a {{cleanup}} tag is better choice of tag in this case.

Astronaut (talk) 02:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

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vandalism

Visiting professors include

Nick James Long - Jovial distributor of chemically enhanced good times. Gareth Talbot - Moderately over-rated trombonist and purveyor of fine dreadlocks. Lauren Gelsei - ancient activist, famous MySpacer and wife to famous BNP politician Morgane Leonard

Me thinks these should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.136.115 (talk) 21:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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