Talk:Attack on the Corps Commander House, Lahore
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Neutrality of this article is Questionable.
editThe neutrality of this article is questionable. Government insists that members of PTI party perpetrated the vandalism . PTI of course insists that they have been trapped in this matter. [1]
Meanwhile, potential human rights violations under the pretext of the alleged rule of PTI party are being investigated. [2] A large number of women have been detailed, ostensibly under the Maintenance of Public Order #3 (MPO 3)[3]. Depending on the assignment of blame for the arson and violence, the consequences may be significant and the matter is still open for debate. Anasim (talk) 07:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Special Circumstances Requiring Enhanced Focus on Wikipedia:Neutral point of view
editThe Human Rights situation in Pakistan today is precarious with incarceration of journalists and subjecting of civilians to military courts. [1][2] Wikipedia needs extra vigilance to avoid being exploited by either side in the political divide and adhere to its own policies and standards in persisting the truth and factual information. 14:39, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Anasim (talk)
One of the ways the government in Pakistan is trying to gain legitimacy for its military court is by associating the damage to Corps Commander residence with the founder of the country, by referring to the premises as the Jinnah House whereas the original Jinnah House is in Mumbai, India. Prior to May 9th, 2023, this building was never referred to as such. [3]
What happened at the building is under investigation and cannot at this point responsibility for the damage cannot be assigned. Wiki will reflect the fact when an independent inquiry concludes. [4]
The choice of words should follow WP's tone guideline. It should neither be news style nor persuasive. For instance, descript of the event in terms of what transpired. What is an attack or damage. Please note definition of each term:
- Attack: Take aggressive action against (a place or enemy forces) with weapons or armed force, typically in a battle or war
- Damage: Physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
- Data from Oxford Languages
- ^ "Second Pakistani journalist missing, family alleges abduction". www.aljazeera.com. Retrieved 2023-05-27.
- ^ Shahzad, Asif; Peshimam, Gibran Naiyyar; Shahzad, Asif (2023-05-26). "Pakistan's Imran Khan calls for immediate talks amidst stand-off with military". Reuters. Retrieved 2023-05-27.
- ^ ""Jinnah House" - Google Search". www.google.com. Retrieved 2023-05-27.
- ^ correspondent, T. F. T. (2023-05-13). "What Really Happened At Lahore Corps Commander's House On May 9?". The Friday Times - Naya Daur. Retrieved 2023-05-27.
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Requested move 27 May 2023
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved to Attack on the Corps Commander House, Lahore (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 13:11, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Corps Commander House Damage → Corps Commander House attack – Anasim has invented a term "Damage" to censor the word "attack". Almost all sources describe it as an attack. I have added multiple references to the article (first reference) that describe it as an attack. Let me know if we need more. BookishReader (talk) 18:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 19:07, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Support original title. I don't know of another article about an attack or riot whose title describes it simply as "damage". It seems like whitewashing to me. But it's most important to use a title that reliable sources are using and not invent one on our own. Thank you for opening a discussion as I was getting concerned about the move-warring over the past day. Liz Read! Talk! 19:21, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose : 1) Are the selective sources representative of the full scope of the event? 2) While the fact of the damage is undisputed, the cause of the damage is disputed by the disputants involved; 3) News sources are not original sources. Original source might be a press release by the institution that owns the building, but in this case, it is a disputant in the matter, with controverted agenda[1]. 3) Investigation of the event has not even started as yet, it maybe therefore prudent and inline with Wiki tone to use unassuming term(s). As an example, we avoid using the word: murder, and use the word: death, until conviction of the suspect(s) 〜 anasim • talk 20:15, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support - 'Damage' is the result, not the very act itself that is subject of the article. How the incident happened, 'Attack' describes it perfectly and that is the word used in the reliable sources. Insight 3 (talk) 03:04, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Attack on the Corps Commander House, Lahore. Better English and uses our article title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:37, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Attack on the Corps Commander House, Lahore. Better by far In ictu oculi (talk) 19:13, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- As the nom, I also support this. Please move it the title suggested by Necrothesp and In ictu oculi. BookishReader (talk) 11:52, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Pakistan Academics' Collective – Pakistanis for Justice". wp.nyu.edu. Retrieved 2023-05-27.
Heavy Bias Present in This Article
editThis article is unneeded as everything written here is already mentioned in the following article: Corps Commander House, Lahore. Furthermore, this article also goes off-topic by describing the events that occurred during the build up for the protests, as well as the aftermath of the protest, which have no relation to this incident itself — which is the topic of this article — which occurred at this location. HuntTheTruth (talk) 06:10, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Ainty Painty:. If you continue to vandalize this article by spreading disinformation through repeatedly biasing the narrative and censoring information because you find it offensive, you too can also be blocked from editing. HuntTheTruth (talk) 09:18, 10 June 2023 (UTC)