Talk:Attempted assassination of Lee Jae-myung

Wikipedia is not a news website

Wikipedia is not a news website! Like other articles about news events, a notable crime should demonstrate a lasting effect, have a broad geographic scope that significantly impacts on a wide region, domain, or widespread societal group, as well as having in-depth, persistent and a diverse range of coverage that is neither routine nor sensational. Ideally, Wikipedia editors should delay creating articles involving breaking news, to see how this story plays out over time. The victim of this stabbing, Korean politician Lee Jae-myung, already has his own article and notability guidelines about living people advises that editors should seriously consider to not creating an article about an alleged perpetrator before a conviction has been secured. At this stage I see no reason to have a separate article about this stabbing, as most of the relevant details can be included in the article about Lee Jae-myung. I think a merger into that article is appropriate at this stage. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 07:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

The opposition party of a country is a pretty significant societal group; their leader being stabbed seems significant to me. Far more trivial crimes on regular people that are merely interesting stories have articles. Separate note, we have Attack on Paul Pelosi, and Paul Pelosi isn't even a politician. toobigtokale (talk) 14:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

@Toobigtokale: Fair enough, if this event has some lasting effect on the opposition party or Korean politics. I am merely pointing out that the victim already has his own article and a section on the stabbing is now included there too. It wasn't when I first saw this article. The article about the attack on Paul Pelosi demonstrates a precedent where undue weight would be given to non-biographical material in a biography. This article is now starting to evolve into one about the perpetrator as much as the victim, and is somewhat more through than when I first saw it. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 21:34, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Title

Please move this to the usual format, Attempted assassination of Lee Jae-myung.

Requested move 3 January 2024

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The result of the move request was: speedy move per the request below; former title could be read as a BLP violation against the target of the attack. Dekimasuよ! 07:39, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

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Assassination attempt of Lee Jae-myung → Attempted assassination of Lee Jae-myung – More common on Wikipedia (harmonization), and sounds more natural Bremps... 06:30, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

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the description in the background

I don't think the descriptions in the background are neutral. It should be about an attempted assassination, but is it necessary to write down descriptions of political violence in Korea. Wildcro (talk) 16:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I think maybe could go either way; I also feel it's a little off. This kind of violence feels semi-random, and enumerating previous cases makes it seem like we're trying to put this into a narrative. However, even the Korean news media has been enumerating these previous incidents in their reporting. For now maybe we can keep, but I could be convinced of either toobigtokale (talk) 16:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

So I think that's why we need to edit that part. Wildcro (talk) 03:28, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I know, but I can also think of arguments against removing the info. Our job is to include true and notable things, which has been done. Furthermore, the language currently doesn't strongly imply political violence is a regular occurrence in SK; the given instances are sporadic (few times a decade), probably on par with many other countries.

I'm still on the fence, but lean oppose to removing the info altogether toobigtokale (talk) 10:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

As there is a ongoing investigation, Wikipedia should not publish this incidence as if the conclusion is already made and official. Rather, the description should be balanced to describe the attempted assassination, with the description of the injury (0.35 inch laceration on the neck, and partial damage to internal jugular vein), the follow up treatment and recovery as transported with emergency helichopter to Seoul National University hospital, started surgery 5 hours after the attack, and fully recovered after 1 week hospitalization. John K (talk) 22:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2024

change suspects name is Kim to kim jin-sung. https://m.news.nate.com/view/20240103n10366 Kespxtaodkc (talk) 08:04, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. MadGuy7023 (talk) 00:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

"Stabbing attempt of Lee Jae-myung" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Stabbing attempt of Lee Jae-myung has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 4 § Stabbing attempt of Lee Jae-myung until a consensus is reached. toobigtokale (talk) 11:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Missing info

Missing a lot of info on Lee's condition since the stabbing, as well as the conspiracy theories and rumors surrounding the event. (not promoting the theories, but their existence and debunking are notable) toobigtokale (talk) 06:04, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 16 April 2024

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The result of the move request was: Procedural close. This move request is related to another move request about Lee Jae-myung. Grouping this move request to the other. (non-admin closure) NasssaNser 06:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

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Attempted assassination of Lee Jae-myung → Attempted assassination of Lee Jaemyung – Lee Jaemyung is official name Ehgud2077 (talk) 00:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose. Predominate WP:RS uses the "Lee Jae-myung" name. AP News, Al Jazeera, NBC News, The New York Times, The World Economic Forum, Reuters, and much more. Cfls (talk) 01:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NCP, again. Veilure (talk) 06:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose per my comment on Talk:Lee Jae-myung#Requested move 15 April 2024.

Imo this move would have been better handled grouped together or one at a time. Now there's two disconnected discussions. 73.173.84.93 (talk) 14:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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