Talk:Attempted assassination of Robert Fico/Archive 1

Moved page to here

Most sources are now describing it as an assassination attempt and not a shooting. Lukt64 (talk) 17:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Would the talk page have to be redirected here too, or just left at that (now) redirect? Sadustu Tau (talk) 18:16, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

You need to go through WP:RM, not do what you did Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 20:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Fico survived.

They have confirmed Fico is stable and he will survive. Robert Fico shot: Major condition update on Slovakian Prime Minister after assassination attempt - World News - Mirror Online Slovakia PM Robert Fico ‘fighting for life’ after five shots fired in ‘politically motivated’ attack, ministers say – live updates (msn.com) 2607:FEA8:7221:F600:7020:4416:AF63:D069 (talk) 20:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

That's not exactly true. Slovak news report that, however, it hasn't been officially confirmed by the government. The only somewhat reliable source for that is statement of one of ministers (T. Taraba) to BBC. And Wikipedia shouldn't be a news so we can wait. --Pan Někdo (talk) 21:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Name of suspect

Media are now reporting the suspect’s name as Juraj Cintula. [1] 2604:2D80:7186:600:0:0:0:164C (talk) 21:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Not giving a speech

"Fico was giving a speech to a crowd at the time of the shooting."

That's not linguistically correct. He was talking to the crowd and shaking their hands, not a formal speech. 2A00:23C8:4F06:4F01:957F:2FDB:48D3:FEBB (talk) 21:16, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Nurg (talk) 00:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Undiscussed content transfer by Lukt64

I'm trying to get the attention of Wikipidia admins here: @Lukt64 appear to have deleted contents from Shooting of Robert Fico which contained the article's initial history onto this without a discussion and appears to go unnoticed. I am requesting this be deleted and transferred onto the previous one where it can join with its history. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 20:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I propose that the shooting be merged here, most sources are calling it an assassination so that it would be consistent Lukt64 (talk) 20:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

That is not how you merge contents FYI @Lukt64 Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 20:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm pinging @Zzuuzz because you seem to be the editor in direct conflict with me and not reading any of the messages I'm trying to send to you Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 20:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay I got their message. @Lukt64 the discussion is on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard now Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 20:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree that the abrupt undiscussed redirect and improper paste by @Lukt64 is problematic and should have been brought up for discussion. This resulted in a poor copy-paste edit that interrupts about 3 hours of activity (160 edits) [2]. It's pretty messy to clean up at this point, so I'm not sure what the best solution is. - Fuzheado | Talk 21:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm astonished nobody raised this issue the moment the editor copy + pasted. Even if it was heavily edited, anyone with this page in their watchlist would've seen over 12K b deleted and replaced. Assuming this was watched by the active editors Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 21:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@Fuzheado I realised we could do a complex history merge performed by an admin. Tho I'm not sure how to do the request for such Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 22:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Variety of English

So is this article going to be in UK english seen as it's Europe? Kiwiz1338 (talk) 18:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I would say so. The Wiki article for Slovakia uses British English, so I would say makes sense for an article relating to the Prime Minister of Slovakia. Sadustu Tau (talk) 18:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@Nurg keep in mind WP:TPO Kiwiz1338 (talk) 00:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

2 shots 1 to stomach and another to joints.

Taraba said one bullet went through Fico's stomach and a second hit a joint.

Taraba said the prime minister “was heavily injured" with one bullet entering his stomach and another hitting the joints.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/robert-fico-slovakia-prime-minister-shooting-05-15-24/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/shooting-after-slovak-government-meeting-tasr-agency-reports-2024-05-15/

Early reports said head shot, but it seems more recent stories are saying there were two shots to stomach and joints, and that he is expected to survive, Article should be amended to remove the head shot claim. Midgetman433 (talk) 02:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Suspect

Are we really allowed to name a suspect at this stage??? Borgenland (talk) 00:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Depends if the name has been published in reliable local sources and there is a clear emphasis that it is a suspect of an alleged crime. Local law and law of the editor's country may differ. I can remember Derek Chauvin having a whole page when still a suspect, which I find bizarre. Unknown Temptation (talk) 06:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

It's a mixed bag. There's precedent, certainly with UK articles such as 2023 Nottingham attacks, Murder of David Amess, 2020 Reading stabbings, that the accused's name isn't included until they have been charged with a crime (i.e. the threshold for inclusion is higher than suspicion of a crime), and I'm sure there have been articles where the suspect's name was omitted until there was a conviction. As Unknown Temptation points out above, there are examples where suspects' names are included before charges have been brought. Policy-wise, though, WP:SUSPECT states "editors must seriously consider not including material [...] that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured." This suggests erring on the side of caution. MIDI (talk) 08:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Identity of Deputy Prime Minister

In the "Response" section, it is stated:

Andrej Danko, deputy Prime Minister of Slovakia and leader of the nationalist Slovak National Party, blamed the political opposition and media for the attack and said the country was heading for "political war"

However, the page for Andrej Danko does not list him as Deputy Prime Minister. The list of Deputy Prime Ministers is found in the page for Robert Fico:

Robert Kaliňák

Peter Kmec

Denisa Saková

Tomáš Taraba

Andrej Danko is the leader of the Slovak National Party and Deputy Speaker of the National Council of Slovakia 131.203.73.86 (talk) 01:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Celjski Grad (talk) 11:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Injuries

The article should update the (severity of the) injuries. Initial reports just said one bullet hit the stomach; then later reports said there was a head injury and other injuries. This information should be known by the medical team already, so assumingly status update may be issued, which should be stored in the wikipedia article as well. 2A02:8388:1643:D680:663F:A873:E90A:DE2A (talk) 18:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Would probably require a bit of shuffling around or change of sources since there seem to be contradictory information about that in the article right now. Sadustu Tau (talk) 18:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I believe it would be foolish for us to publish any information that is still highly speculative. Let's wait a little longer. Dingus1233 (talk) 18:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

At the very least, 1 person was injured (Fico). Borgenland (talk) 12:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Site

Is there a publicly available photo of where it happened? Not necessarily taken yesterday? Borgenland (talk) 08:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Couldn't find anything on a quick look at Commons:Category:Handlová. Nothing from a CC-BY-SA search of Flickr either... MIDI (talk) 09:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

This memorial is on Namestie Baníkov:

Fences&Windows 12:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hopefully no problems with it. A good caption is the only thing needed for it though. Borgenland (talk) 12:18, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure I see why this image would be a good addition to the article; it depicts neither the location where the shooting happened (it's not the same part of the square and is looking in the opposite direction) nor the building Fico had been in. Will keep looking as there may be news outlets who have released images with compatable a licence. MIDI (talk) 13:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2024

Add links to Cintula's posts on Slovenskí Branci Facebook page:

• https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1654087348180550&set=a.1462594147329872
• https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1656028404653111&set=a.1462594147329872 Exander77 (talk) 21:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.

Please note that it is unlikely that these are the best sources to use. User-generated content like facebook posts are not considered reliable on Wikipedia, and attempting to explain his motive using 8-year-old posts (if that was the intent here) falls under original research. If reliable sources like news websites have written about his posts those articles can probably be added, but the facebook posts themselves are unlikely to be included. Jamedeus (talk) 01:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Suspect's connection to Slovenskí Branci - citation links to be added

Article discussing Cintula's connection to Slovenskí Branci:

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/32742

Slovenskí Branci social media post reposted by journalist Szabolcs Panyi, showing photo of Cintula at a Slovenskí Branci rally in 2016:

https://twitter.com/panyiszabolcs/status/1790789652078526939/photo/1

109.175.107.46 (talk) 12:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Neither sources are reliable. Mellk (talk) 04:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC)