Talk:Rabaa massacre
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Proposed title change
edit- August 2013 Rabaa massacre -> August 2013 Rabaa and Nahda sit-ins dispersal
Recently, I've cleaned up the article of POV, and here is a much more accurate title. Also doesn't feature the word "massacre," which is a one-sided and biased word which fits into the Brotherhood's narrative, as an earlier user noted in the past section. Should we keep the title as is, change it to my proposed version, or take a third option? Thanks. Zakawer (talk) 16:27, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose: A broad-spectrum of reliable sources refer to incident as Rabaa Massacre. Further, injecting one's own biases and POV doesn't qualify as clean-up. -- dsprc [talk] 07:03, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose A quick search indicates that "massacre" is the term commonly used by international press (Washington Post, The Guardian, Al Jazeera). Even searching for "sit-in dispersal" brings up articles whose headlines call it "massacre", while the former term seems to be used almost exclusively by Egyptian press. This brings the change in conflict with NPOV per WP:UNDUE. Eperoton (talk) 02:19, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
- Support, as I am the person who made this proposal. Zakawer (talk) 14:50, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose, this is the title that's overwhelmingly used by reliable news outlets and scholars. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:23, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
- Support -- Moving these MB, armed people was not a massacre. They weren't innocent civilians. They were asked to leave for a long time. Like in the Waco siege people died when Janet Reno asked to make a move and get them out. But the main media WP, Al Jazeera and Guardian are biased against Egypt and for MB -that's why they call it a massacre. Egypt is still fighting the MB in Sinai with police being killed almost every day. I don't know what the correct title should be but I don't think it should be called a massacre. Maybe it should be named the Rabaa siege. Hisham Barakat, the general prosecutor, who ordered the people to be moved from Rabaa was assassinated a year later. Another example where it was called a seige is here Siege of La Rochelle . Also note this (copied from the Al Jazeera WP article) "The network is sometimes perceived to have mainly Islamist perspectives, promoting the Muslim Brotherhood, and having a pro-Sunni and an anti-Shia bias in its reporting of regional issues."[1][2][3] So we shouldn't be calling it a reliable source on this specific topic related to the Muslim Brotherhood.The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:38, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Strongly oppose the move request on several grounds. First, the phrase "rabaa massacre" returns 18,600 hits on Google, while "rabaa dispersal" or "rabaa sit-in dispersal" return only 2,600 hits. Therefore per WP:COMMONNAME "massacre" is the globally recognized title of this event. Second, "massacre" is the term used by reliable sources from the right, center, left, mainstream, and financial press from all over the world, and by human rights organizations [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16]. Lastly, a "massacre" is what actually occurred, and we shouldn't be engaged in WP:EUPHEMISM here. -Darouet (talk) 04:51, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
References
- ^ Goldberg, Jeffrey (10 July 2013). "Why Does Al Jazeera Love a Hateful Islamic Extremist?". bloombergview.com. Bloomberg L.P. Retrieved 2015-09-23.
- ^ "AL JAZEERA: US Government Funded Anti-Muslim Brotherhood Activists". Business Insider. 10 July 2013. Retrieved 16 June 2015.
- ^ "Arab Gulf States Institute in Washington - Why America Turned Off Al Jazeera - Arab Gulf States Institute in Washington". Arab Gulf States Institute in Washington. Retrieved 6 May 2016.
Requested move 13 August 2023
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 03:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
August 2013 Rabaa massacre → Rabaa massacre – Per WP:CONCISE. There is no other Rabaa massacre to disambiguate. 〜 Festucalex • talk 21:23, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Closing comment: This article title has a complex history see here and the talk page archives. Hopefully this will lead to some stability. Andrewa (talk) 03:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Crimes against humanity category removal
editCrimes against humanity is a specific legal concept. In order to be included in the category, the event (s) must have been prosecuted as a crime against humanity, or at a bare minimum be described as such by most reliable sources. Most of the articles that were formerly in this category did not mention crimes against humanity at all, and the inclusion of the category was purely original research. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:49, 14 February 2024 (UTC)