Talk:Autocephaly of the Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church

Article issues

The article asserts that "the schism resulted religious decline of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church. For instance, 50.6% of Ethiopia's population was adherent of Ethiopian Orthodox in 1994 Consensus, but declined to 43.5% in 2007". The cited sources provide figures for the specified years but they do not corroborate the assertion that the schism led to the decrease in adherents. (One could just as well attribute this to increased outreach, proselytizing, etc. on the part of Protestant groups – though that, itself, would also need to be corroborated with sources.) Also, in general the article seems to overlap the existing content in Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church and Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and, as such, comes off as a WP:POVFORK, although I do not imagine this was the article creator's intent. I think any detail that is missing from either of those articles could just as well as have been added there, instead of creating it in a new article here. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:34, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Furthermore I am not sure that the autocephaly of the Eritrean church from the Ethiopian church constitutes a "schism" (at least not without running afoul of WP:NPOV). The churches remain in communion with each other and the other Oriental Orthodox churches; a schism would reject this. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:32, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Add'l.: Heretofore I've never seen the suggestion that the autocephaly of the Eritrean church led to the schism in the Ethiopian church. There's also no mention in this article that the schism within the Ethiopian church was resolved several years ago (but, again, that's already covered in the article about that church). - Gyrofrog (talk) 22:06, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

The new article name is better, but some of my concerns remain. And the second sentence in the lede still implies the autocephaly led to the Ethiopian schism. There's no source for the assertion that Merkorios was a Derg agent – not even a source to corroborate that many believed he was a Derg agent. The remaining text is about the schism/competing Synods of the Ethiopian church, which is a different subject than what the article (or at least its new title) is about, and is already covered in the article about the Ethiopian church. The remaining portion, about Eritrean autocephaly, is - or could be - sufficiently covered in the article about the Eritrean church. I suggest this new page be made a redirect to Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church. That leaves the old article name, now a redirect, which I suggest should be deleted. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 13:43, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Gyrofrog: Yes, I agreed with the idea of merging to the Eritrean Orthodox. Indeed, I cannot further go beyond the autocephaly of Church of Eritrea because could leave the subject scope to aftermath, and not subjective to the event. I've seen that there is not sufficient coverage to Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church about autocephaly, only says "independent from Ethiopian Church" without mentioning the ceremonial event. The Supermind (talk) 14:47, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@The Supermind: Thanks, based on this discussion I've merged/redirected this article to Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church. That did leave Schism of the Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church as a double-redirect; I wasn't sure what to do with it as it refers to 2 different churches (which one would be the redirect's target?) and a non-existent schism (as I explained above). So I listed the original title at WP:RfD (unless WP:R3 applies). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:30, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

"Schism of Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Schism of Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 2#Schism of Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 11:16, 2 September 2022 (UTC)