Talk:Marvel's Avengers (video game)

MCU

Is this game MCU cannon? The Optimistic One (talk) 18:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

It is not connected to the MCU whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.37.148.2 (talk) 01:37, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 7 September 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved to Marvel's Avengers; no consensus on Marvel's Avengers (video game) with no prejudice towards a new RM in the short-term. Sceptre (talk) 18:02, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

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Avengers (2020 video game) → Marvel's Avengers – This is its name and what is used throughout the article. Move this and use a hatnote for the only other entry at the current dab page. See also WP:TWODABS. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:18, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Note: this request was closed prematurely and has been reopened so editors can participate for at least the full seven days. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 01:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support, maybe even speedy and move to technical requests. The existing Marvel's Avengers can be replaced with a hatnote. All of the sources - e.g. Metacritic, review sites - use "Marvel's Avengers" and not Avenger unadorned. SnowFire (talk) 05:49, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Additional comment: Per TWODABS, I don't see the issue with a hatnote to the film, but if other voters feel that the 2012 movie is the primary topic here, then this article should still be moved to Marvel's Avengers (video game). Sources call "Agents of SHIELD" just that reasonably often, without a "Marvel's" in front. Literally 6/6 of the linked reviews sites in reception call this game "Marvel's Avengers" though, so it's not comparable - the unanimity of sources includes "Marvel's" here. SnowFire (talk) 16:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose unless we were to make a mass change to several similar properties, and past RMs have failed to go with this style. The company name isn't part of the title, its branding. The current title is exactly how we handled Spider-Man (2018 video game) and many other titles (see Special:PrefixIndex/Marvel's which shows almost all are redirects). Also, the proposed title is far too confusingly similar to the much more popular film. Overall, its not a WP:CONSISTENT alternative. -- Netoholic @ 11:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
• Very Strong Oppose per this. I honestly don't think I can think of a more counter-WP:CRITERIA RM proposal for some time. Marvel's Avengers would naturally refer to the entire franchise and primarily the films which will be remembered long after video game has gone. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:16, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Support Marvel's Avengers (video game) if necessary. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:19, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Support this suggestion.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:43, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. There is no way the video game is the primary topic for "Marvel's Avengers". Rreagan007 (talk) 18:50, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support the move to Marvel's Avengers (video game) per In ictu oculi and Ortize. Unlike Spider-Man (2018 video game) where the majority of the references use just "Spider-Man", here "Marvel's Avengers" is a WP:COMMONNAME in the sources included in the article, even the reviews. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:17, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support moving to Marvel's Avengers (video game). OceanHok (talk) 15:35, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose As per WP:COMMONNAME, common name trumps official name in naming convention. Avengers is the common name, like with Spider-Man (2018 video game). Not only that all Marvel's films and games articles on wikipedia excludes Marvel's in their article titles, so there should be some consistency with other Marvel related articles. TheDeviantPro (talk) 02:50, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

TheDeviantPro Not sure that you have actually looked at the sources, because Marvel's Avengers is the common name for them (consistency is a potentially valid argument, but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:59, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Not including the Marvel's is a clear common practice and it has precedential value. OTHERSTUFFEXISTS doesn't apply. El Millo (talk) 17:35, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose too close to other comics and films (like Marvel's The Avengers being the technical title of the 2012 movie). Clarifying it as the 2020 video game seems most proper. TropicAces (talk) 15:16, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose as it is a common practice for all Marvel related properties as far as I've seen. El Millo (talk) 17:35, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Besides the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of Marvel's Avengers would still probably be the film even though it is missing "The".--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:03, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support move to Marvel's Avengers (video game) per WP:COMMONNAME as well as precision at WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. Virtually no sources have referred to the game as just Avengers. WP:CONSISTENT mainly refers to the topic-specific naming convention (WP:NCVG in this case). The other articles that omit Marvel's have reasons to do so, usually being COMMONNAME. And here in this case, COMMONNAME and precision (NAMINGCRITERIA) call for Marvel's Avengers (video game). LightKeyDarkBlade (talk) 20:06, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
  • I'd be okay with this move but not the non-disambiguated Marvel's Avengers.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 21:05, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support All sources refer to it as such, making it the WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NATURAL disambiguation. The current disambiguation page there can be replaced by a hatnote fairly easily._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 13:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. No evidence of primary topic. Redirect Marvel's Avengers to Avenger#Marvel Entertainment. DrKay (talk) 07:59, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 3 October 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved. The WP:COMMONNAME win out. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Calidum 03:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

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Avengers (2020 video game) → Marvel's Avengers (video game) – Per the above discussion closure, there was no prejudice to opening a new RM for this title with the "(video game)" title addition.

The reason is fairly obvious, almost every source out there refers to it as "Marvel's Avengers", e.g. see google, with wp the obvious exception. The main objection above was per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but since "(video game)" is included in the page title this overcomes this. Per WP:COMMONNAME this is definitely the right title, and no confusion with Avengers (comics) or any other media of the franchise with the "(video game)" title addition. See also disambig page Avenger where it is already listed under this title, and the other video games with this title listed there did not include the comic-book Avengers. Jules (Mrjulesd) 10:04, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - The company name isn't part of the title, its branding/identification. Past RMs have failed to go with this style, so we should only do this as part of a mass change to several similar properties. The current title is exactly how we handled Spider-Man (2018 video game) (another one frequently referred to in sources as "Marvel's Spider-Man") and many other titles (see Special:PrefixIndex/Marvel's which are almost all are redirects). Overall, its not a WP:CONSISTENT alternative. -- Netoholic @ 12:59, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

  Yes but I feel WP:COMMONNAME should be the basis, as it is the overriding principle for article naming. If you look at metacritic almost all of the 92 reviews call it "Marvel's Avengers", we should to follow sources I feel. Also look at this article search, plenty of articles preceded by "Marvel" relating to Marvel studios, so WP:CONSISTENT isn't an issue (your search looked at "Marvel's" which are mainly redirects). --Jules (Mrjulesd) 16:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

  There are a lot of works of art where a possessive is attached to the title frequently in sources ("John Carpenter's The Thing" comes to mind). In particular with Marvel properties on Wikipedia, we tend not to include the possessive/branding as part of the article title. This is a bigger issue than one video game, and should be decided more widely to maintain CONSISTENT titles if a change is in order. -- Netoholic @ 18:51, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

  The big difference to "John Carpenter's The Thing" is that almost all sources refer to it as the "The Thing"; e.g. see the reviews at metacritic. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 10:41, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support - It is the WP:COMMONNAME for the title, and we should always favour common name over consistency. The cases with Agents of SHIELD or the Spider-Man game are different because "Marvels' Agenets of Shield" is definitely not the common name while "Marvel's Spider-Man" is not the most common name for the game. OceanHok (talk) 03:46, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support as proposer. Jules (Mrjulesd) 10:41, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Regardless of whether it is branding or not (clarity seems a likely other cause), "Marvel's Avengers" is the overwhelming COMMONNNAME in media; the game is not referred to as just "Avengers". SnowFire (talk) 04:51, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per the same argument that I made in the previous discussion. Marvel's Avengers is the WP:COMMONNAME if not the only name used by sources. LightKeyDarkBlade (talk) 11:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 14:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

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Proposed split

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I believe the aggregate volume of coverage that could be cited from sources, which includes announcements, developmental info and reception, of the post-release content for this video game is now at a point where it meets WP:GNG and a split is justified. Currently we keep all coverage of the post-release content in this article, which renders it unfocused and difficult to document gameplay, developmental and reception information that is independent of the changes introduced by post-launch updates. It appears that going forward this live service game is still seeing continued support and additional content from the developers. The Wakanda expansion is releasing soon, and so is the Spider-Man content at a later date, with more confirmed to be on the way. All of it has been subject to significant coverage. As a precedent for how the proposed Marvel's Avengers post-release content article should be structured and written, I refer to Destiny post-release content and Destiny 2 post-release content as good reference points. Haleth (talk) 04:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose: A split doesn't seem necessary at this point. The parent article is not long or substantial enough to warrant a split. OceanHok (talk) 10:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

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Cerise

Is the Cerise in the game the same as Cerise (comics), or someone else? - UtherSRG (talk) 00:21, 13 November 2021 (UTC)