Talk:Avenue of the Arts (Philadelphia)

Two points

Two points:

• Is there a Glenwood Avenue in Center City? In all the time I've spent there I've never run into one, not anywhere near City Hall, certainly.
• "Avenue of the Arts" refers as much to South Broad Street itself as it does to a section of CC, and this should be noted in the intro. to avoid confusion.

--Pastricide! ^{Non-absorbing} 18:12, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

To (partially) answer my own question: This page is based on the definition given by Avenue of the Arts, Inc. (here), according to which the district extends north of City Hall (all the way to Temple, in fact) as well as south. I'm not sure if this fits neatly with popular interpretation of "Avenue of the Arts," but there it is. I still don't see Temple as part of Center City, but who knows, they're changing the boundaries all the time anymore... --18:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah i never did understand why they did that, with the exception of PAFA, they really have nothing to do with anything north of City Hall, though some of that has to do with the the convention center expansion i guess. Any way most people when they think of the Ave on the arts, or at least me, would say it's South Broad, from City Hall to South. If you can think of a better working for the intro though, go for it. As for Glenwood Ave, their is one in the city, but the one i am awre of is no where near CC, it runs parrell to the NEC/Amtrak from 32nd in Brewerytown to about 2nd in West Kensignton area --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

• • Glenwood Ave crosses N. Broad St on the diagonal, just above Lehigh Ave. I agree that the density of arts institutions is heaviest from Market to South, but there's plenty of stuff to do above Market: from the Fabric Workshop to the Doll Museum.WashWest 20:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Philadelphia Walk of Fame

Why isn't the Philadelphia Walk of Fame mentioned in this aricle?--Sylvia Anna (talk) 16:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Merge to Broad Street article

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to keep the separate article. SummerPhD^v2.0 04:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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There doesn't seem to be enough content to warrant an article. Can we merge to Broad Street (Philadelphia)? --96.227.233.124 (talk) 01:05, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

No, there is plenty of material here, and more can be found. Broad Street in Philadelphia is about 11 1/2 miles long, the part that's called "Avenue of the Arts" is less than 2 miles. It's a specific area with specific zoning and attractions. I see no reasonfor it to get lost inside a Broad Street article. BMK (talk) 01:45, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

• • i still disagree. The Broad Street article was quite skimpy with this section being the only section with a decent amount of material. All other segments of this road seem quite un notable, so maybe Broad Street should merge here with the rest of that article going to Pennsylvania Route 611. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.233.124 (talk) 02:08, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it is a section of Broad Street. Yes, the Broad Street article is pretty skimpy. That does not mean this should be merged there. the article Planets inside the asteroid belt is so skimpy that it doesn't exist. Should we merge the Mercury, Venus and Earth articles there? Obviously not, because the planets are individually notable. Similarly, The Avenue of the Arts is notable independent of the rest of the street. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:35, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

• Do not merge - The article needs more sources, but such sources are numerous. The district is notable independent of the rest of Broad Street. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:35, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
  • mind that the "numerous" sources are either primary sources authored by Avenue of the Arts Inc or they were blogs, Facebook, and Twitter and as such are not sources. Outside of Philadelphia, few people know about this section of Broad Street and is not any more notable than some other labeled sections of Philadelphia. This theater district is not at the same scale as Times Square, but is more like Avenue of the Arts (Boston) which happens to be a redirect to Huntington Avenue in Boston.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.82.174 (talk • contribs) 10:27, May 22, 2015‎
    • An "Avenue of the Arts", as you noted, is not a concept unique to Philadelphia. Philadelphia's, however, is fairly well along and is being used as a case study in the literature. I've added four such sources, but there are certainly more.[1] We certainly need to add and integrate independent reliable sources and cut back on the use of primary sources. That said, I am fairly confident that sufficient sources are available to demonstrate notability and develop a reasonably detailed article. - SummerPhD (talk) 18:49, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I disagree - Your argument to keep as separate is still pretty weak. It's pretty clear that avenue of the Arts IS part of Broad Street. It doesn't exist separately. See Interstate 276 for example is part of the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Even though I-276 is filled with sources, it is not a separate entity. I would only agree if somehow Avenue of the Arts is not part of Broad Street in some portion, sort of like why Broad Street is not merged with Pennsylvania Route 611 because south of Market Street, it is NOT PA 611. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.83.188 (talk) 06:40, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it is part of Broad Street. Broad Street is part of Philadelphia which is part of Pennsylvania... That is not a reason to merge, unless Wikipedia should be one article, Universe. The standard here would seem to be Wikipedia:Notability_(geographic_features)#Roadways and/or WP:GNG. The Avenue of the Arts has "been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable and independent of the subject." It is notable independent of Broad Street, much as Philadelphia is notable independent of Pennsylvania: there is significant coverage covering it as a separate topic. - Tefkasp (talk) 13:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

At the moment, I'm still waiting for auto-confirmation on my new user name. Until then, a few more sources to add:

• Campoa, Daniel and Brent D. Ryanb. Journal of Urban Design, Volume 13, Issue 3, 2008, "The Entertainment Zone: Unplanned Nightlife and the Revitalization of the American Downtown", pages 291-315, DOI: 10.1080/13574800802319543.
• Carrabc, James H. and Lisa J. Servond. Journal of the American Planning Association, Volume 75, Issue 1, 2008, "Vernacular Culture and Urban Economic Development: Thinking Outside the (Big) Box", pages 28-40. DOI: 10.1080/01944360802539226.
• McGovern, Stephen J. Policy & Politics, Volume 25, Number 2, April 1997, "Mayoral leadership and economic development policy: the case of Ed Rendell's Philadelphia", pp. 153-172(20).

As I said, there are plenty more where those came from. The IP editor does not seem to feel that any number of sources will do here. I don't want to put words in their mouth,but I think we have one question here: With a good deal of coverage in independent reliable sources (vetted journal articles in this case), can a section of a street be notable enough for a stand alone article. I feel the answer is a clear yes. Comments? - Tefkasp (The Editor Formerly Known as SummerPhD) (talk) 22:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Onbviously, I agree with you. BMK (talk) 22:31, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

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