Talk:Avro Vulcan/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Airplaneman ✈ 22:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

• Note: I will leave all of my preliminary review comments unsigned to save space. Airplaneman ✈ 22:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
• I have passed the article. Please make note of any suggestions given in the review for further improvement. Great work, Airplaneman ✈ 18:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Development

Y

• Copyedited; otherwise, looks good.

Design

Y

• The power systems were revised for the Mark 2—what is a "Mark 2"?

• That was changed to "for the B.2" by another editor previously. -fnlayson (talk) 14:49, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

• Indeed, that was me, I should have noted it here. Kyteto (talk) 21:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Operational history

Introduction

Y

• Copyedited; otherwise, looks good.

Nuclear deterrent

Y

• In the "introduction" section, you italicize the names of weapons and "Yellow Sun Mk.1.", yet "Yellow Sun Mk 2" isn't. Is there a specific reason for this, or should it be italicized as well? I'm reminded of MOS:ITALICS, specifically the "Named vehicles" bullet section (in which bombs are not specifically mentioned). What is to be italicized, and what isn't? In any case, make sure it's consistent.
• There are two occurrences of "wingspan" and one of "wing span" in this article, the latter in this section (Also proposed was a stretched version of the Vulcan, with increased wing span to carry up to six…. Please pick one to use.

Conventional role

Y

• The Vulcan's ECM system was effective at jamming Argentine radars, greatly reducing the likelihood of coming under effective fire.—greatly reducing the likelihood of who or what coming under effective fire?

Anybody practically. The ECM blotted out everything in a huge radius, apparently it used to knock out TV transmissions back at home around its vicinity. Presuming that there were other British forces present (depending on the raid) it would protect all of them, if it was only the Vulcan(s) alone, then it would be only themselves. I'll add in the clarifier: "British airborne forces". Kyteto (talk) 22:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

• fitted to carry an ECM pod and Shrike anti-radar missiles where the Skybolt hardpoints remained in the wings.—do you mean "while the Skybolt hardpoints..."?

I'm not entirely sure. It might be referring to the location at which the Shrikes were fitted to the Vulcans, certainly not all of them had these hardpoints, perhaps 'at the place of' or 'upon where' would be better?I'll think on this one. Kyteto (talk) 22:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

- I reworded that some. See if the new text is clearly understandable. -fnlayson (talk) 21:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes! Airplaneman ✈ 02:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Maritime radar reconnaissance

Y

• was delivered to No. 27 Sqn at RAF Scampton—Is there a specific reason Squadron is abbreviated (I'm not sure if this is normal practice)? If not, please write it out.

Aerial refueling role

Y

• While Vickers VC-10 and Lockheed TriStar tankers would be ordered as a result of lessons learned from the conflict, as a stop-gap measure it was decided to convert 6 Vulcan B.2s to tanker configuration. sounded awkward; I changed it to While Vickers VC-10 and Lockheed TriStar tankers would be ordered as a result of lessons learned from the conflict, six Vulcan B.2s were converted to a tanker configuration as a stopgap measure. If you don't like it or think of something better, just undo or revise my revision.
• Is Jammers capitalized?
• On a side note, make sure all small numbers in the prose are spelled out for uniformity (most are, but I caught a 6 in this section).

Engine test beds

Y

• I found the first paragraph's wording rather awkward and attempted to rephrase it; again, revise it if you think of something better or do not like it.
• This aircraft was burned out on the ground on 3 December 1962.—"Burned out" is a bit vague. Did the engines die, or did the aircraft catch on fire, etc.?
• Another five Olympus Vulcan was B.1 XA903.→"five-Olympus"
• Another five Olympus Vulcan was B.1 XA903.—so the fifth engine is the test engine, and the other four Olympuses are the same models as last? It would be nice to add this additional info if the reference supports it.
• It was mounted in what was essentially one side of a Tornado, including the reheat and thrust reverser.—a bit confusing. Please modify this to address the following questions:
  • Is "Tornado" italicized?
  • Was the engine mounted on the Vulcan's body that resembled a Tornado, or was the Vulcan modified to resemble one?
• I would also change , including the reheat and thrust reverser→along with the reheat and thrust reverser (could you please link the terms "reheat" and "thrust reverser"?)
• There is one dablink that requires fixing in this section.

Variants

Y

Operators

Y

• I see many variations of ames like B2 (MRR) and B2 (K), alternately with spaces (like shown) or without: B2(MRR) and B2(K). Also, there are periods between the B and 2 on some (B.2) and none on others (B2). Is this intentional? I've been spacing out the names but decided to ask just in case. If this is not intentional, one method should be used.

• Don't know specifically about the spaces/no spaces part, but the UK designations during the Vulcan's time in service used a period. The current format is no period. Looks like the spaces were added already. I added periods to all the B1, B2, etc. that I found. -fnlayson (talk) 14:43, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
• This one looks done. The spacing is right too. -fnlayson (talk) 23:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

• I've tagged two bullet points that need referencing.

Accidents and incidents

Y

• For the first bullet point, I have moved a photo external link to the end of the paragraph; another option would be to move it to the external links section, but I'm fine with it either way.
• The impact probably broke the drag links on the main undercarriage—please link/define "drag links"

I don't have a good answer for this. There's no wikilink remotely near that topic, and I couldn't tell you what they were myself! Kyteto (talk) 16:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

• One thing I noticed is the inconsistent use of commas after introductory prepositional phrases (or whatever they're called...) Most commonly, it's as follows:
  • In 1996, I ate food
  • Other times, a comma is not used after 1996: In 1996 I ate food. I've been switching them to the with-comma style, so please fix any that you see.
• Bullet point two: Flt Lt Cottee contemplated pushing forward to go inverted—please elaborate, as I think most don't know what this maneuver means
• Some aircraft names (such as XA897) are italicized, while others are not.
• The aircraft crashed near Hull.—where is Hull?
• The explosion was caused by failure of a bearing in No. 4 engine.—is a period needed after "No."? I'm seeing most abbreviations, such as Nos, Lt and St, without abbreviations in this article.

I've decided to keep the dot, else it'd be very difficult for a reader to tell the difference between the abbreviation for number and when the writing would simply be saying "No" as in the opposite of 'Yes'. Think I've established this consistantly now. Kyteto (talk) 16:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

OK. Airplaneman ✈ 18:38, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

• He was being checked by the Sqn Cdr who was new to type.—that doesn't make sense.
• On 25 May 1965, Vulcan B.2 XM576 crash-landed at Scampton—where is Scampton?
• Second to last bullet point: fatigue failure of a blade in the No. 1 engine—again, "No." or "No"?
• Last bullet point: after a possible stall during a wing-over—what is a wing-over?

Had to use an external link for this one. Kyteto (talk) 16:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I am fine with that. Airplaneman ✈ 18:38, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Survivors

Y

• Please watch the dashes (see WP:DASH). It's a small thing, but for a GA, it's best to have them not just as hyphens but as the correct en or em dashes. I've gone ahead and fixed them throughout the article with a handy script. There are four ways (that I know of) to insert them easily:

1. Type – and —, their html codes, to render – and —, respectively.
2. Use the templates {{ndash}} and {{mdash}}.
3. Under the edit summary bar and the save/preview/show changes bar, you should see a toolbar beginning with a drop-down menu reading "insert" by default. To the right of it, you see two dashes. The first is an en dash, the second an em dash. Click to insert.
4. If you're using vector, go to "special characters" in the editing toolbar. The dashes are located under "symbols".

• One citation needed tag needs addressing.
  • The citation given (reference number 105 as of the linked revision) to resolve the tag was from Flickr. It's photographic evidence, and I think the source can pass as reliable, but please add a "better" one if possible. The passage the source backs up is XL361 Vulcan B.2 – CFB Goose Bay, Labrador, Canada

Restoration to flight of Vulcan XH558

• for the 2012 Summer Olympic Games Opening Ceremony—is Opening Ceremony part of the title (explaining its capitalization)? If not, it should be 2012 Summer Olympic Games' opening ceremony.

Specifications

Y

• Everything looks good. I especially like the comparison chart.

Notable appearances in media

Y

• Cleaned it up a bit; no other problems here.

Miscellany

• Checklinks says all links are clear; although some are highlighted in green and blue, that's fine.
• I will be making copyedits while reviewing the article. Please check the history for each of my edits to make sure I don't inadvertently change anything. My edit summaries will detail my changes.
• All images captioned with correct lisencing.
• Lead is fine.

Is the review nearly done? Just checking since it's been over a month since it started. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 19:57, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry; I've been distracted by other things but plan to finish it today. Airplaneman ✈ 20:32, 16 October 2010 (UTC)