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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 07:24, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

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Mark Zuckerberg in 2019

• ... that a giant breast destroying a spaceship Mark Zuckerberg (pictured) in the music video for "Ay mamá" is criticism of Meta's censorship of female nipples?

A c.1701–1715 Tarot of Marseilles Empress card

• ALT1: ... that the cover art and music video for "Ay mamá" show a tarot card (pictured) that represents feminine power?
• ALT2: ... that following the success of "Ay mamá", singer-songwriter Rigoberta Bandini became the first woman to be the most-watched musician on YouTube in Spain?
• ALT3: ... that "Ay mamá" and "Terra" losing Benidorm Fest to "SloMo" caused four Spanish government ministers to demand to see the voting results?
• ALT4: ... that Rigoberta Bandini wrote "Ay mamá" as a tribute to her mother, but only released it years later after becoming a mother herself?

Liberty Leading the People, Eugène Delacroix, 1830

• ALT5: ... that the lyrics of "Ay mamá" were inspired by Eugène Delacroix's Liberty Leading the People (pictured), calling on women to go topless?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hope Runs High
  • Comment: The proposed hooks are in no order of preference, though I would like it to get an image slot because there's some great options! Also, I'm still working on expanding the article, but since it's now hit 5x expanded, nominating it while I remember.

5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 04:23, 14 May 2022 (UTC).

• @Kingsif: I will see if I can take up this nomination for evaluation. I do not see individual sources per DYK mentioned in DYK nomination, that would have helped quicker evaluation. Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 07:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks! Since you mention it, I actually deliberately do not include sources in DYK noms; it encourages laziness/forgetfulness in checking that sources are accessible in the article and that the article text, source text, and hook fact, all agree (I noticed myself forgetting to do so in my own reviewing, which is when I started almost-always not-including sources.) Quicker, sure, but not a proper review of where/how the source is used in the article, i.e. passes WP:V. Sorry for the ramble, thanks again for taking this up. Kingsif (talk) 10:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

• Review:

• QPQ ; Interesting:; Cited:; Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:; Neutral:; Adequate sourcing:; Long Enough:; New Enough:
• Overall good for DYK.
• Personally I would prefer first or the last i.e fifth hook, for the DYK
• Images do not seem to have any copyright issues; Un til I did not read Bandini's interview I was not sure about relevance of 'Mark Zuckerberg's image in the hook since I was not aware how far Zuckerberg is personally linked to FB's related rules. But being head of the institution which has free speech issues, and FB issue seems important enough in the song. So let us give that go ahead.
• I checked one ref with help of google translate seemed okay and refs reasonably seem to support hooks. One ref in the article seem to have word blog in it would need a crosscheck by some one.
• Article seem to have been expanded 3 times in bytes so likely to have expanded as expected in number of words too. I do not have requisite script for word count, if some one can help on that count might help.

• Overall good for DYK.

Cheers, Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 07:56, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks!
  I think the source you're describing as ref in the article seem to have word blog in it is Wiwibloggs, which is the premiere source for Eurovision reporting. For my philosophy thoughts on this, the "no blog" rule gets taken way more broadly than it is intended, in general (many legitimate, editorial, outlets either are blogs or run them as side columns), and now seems to be having people question anything that just has 'blog' in it, too. Kingsif (talk) 21:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

  @Kingsif: for ALT0, where does it say in the article that the giant breast destroying the Zuckerberg spaceship (six words i never really thought i'd have to type) was specifically intended as criticism?

• @Theleekycauldron: The last sentence of the fourth paragraph of the music video section: The inclusion of the Meta Zuckerberg ship, which also resembles the Imperial Star Destroyer from Star Wars, being destroyed by a giant breast is a condemnation of the company's social networks censoring female nipples. - yeah, since the spaceship has been described already in the article, it says "Meta ship" rather than explain it all again. It also says "condemnation" instead of "criticism"... I might have recently changed that but I think in context the meaning works. Kingsif (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
• I've made an edit for clarity re this. Kingsif (talk) 18:05, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

  gotcha, thanks :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:40, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 22:34, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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There isn't much to do outside of some copy tightening. 7-day hold to Kingsif. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie: Should all be done. Kingsif (talk) 23:44, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Copy changes

Production and composition

• formed of use "composed of" (I hear conformada here)
• about women, but that no comma. User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences — There are a lot of these issues in the article, so it's worth reading over this.
• Wiwibloggs noted that "Ay mamá" has choral verses build into an electropop chorus, which they had previously described as Bandini's particular style, and something that is "anything but safe and lame" even within the context of the Eurovision Song Contest (ESC) Is there a verb that belongs before "something", or is the "something" the choral verses into a chorus (in which case the preceding comma must go)?
• ESC, and for wanting drop the comma

Reception and impact

• about Rocío Carrasco visiting the mansion of her late mother, Rocío Jurado maybe set this appositive off in dashes as it has a nested appositive?

Accolades

• Add a caption that is hidden. {{sronly}} This will show in screen readers and enable the table to meet MOS:DTAB. You don't need an exposed caption because of the immediately above section header.

Chart performance

Should the table in "Charts and certifications" move up here?

• After debuting in the top 100 in December 2021, it has spent 28 continuous weeks in the charts Update this.

Music video

• who Ribó chose to work with — should be "whom"
• While doing so, she notices a photo of her mother, and imagines herself embodying all women from prehistory to the far future, when women have four arms and fly. Drop the second comma
• At the end of the video, Ribó's son wakes in the music studio and she rushes to comfort him. Comma needed after "studio"
• removing the footage, and that he remove comma
• Sunyer says that they had been asked because some of the video ideas resembled Femen's protests and he did not want to be seen as plagiarising, but ultimately decided not to involve Femen as the group wanted artistic control of their appearance in it. Add a comma after protests" and "he" after "but" (to add a subject to the second half and make it a complete sentence)

Live performances

• consider taking part, but may wait drop this comma
• jury and the public, and receiving the most combined drop this comma
• Tanxugueiras to win, but felt very drop this comma

Other versions

• Add a comma after "March and May 2022"

Other items

• The Delacroix painting and Benidorm Fest stage image need alt text. The latter can be "Refer to caption".
• NFURs available for both non-free images. The other images are PD or freely licensed.
• References are archived.
• Cannot check Earwig (it's giving me a 502 error right now) but I assume it would be fairly low given that most of the sources are Spanish, Catalán, etc.

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