Talk:Azerbaijani-Mongolian cultural relations

Requested move 23 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Redirected to Turco-Mongol tradition. I see three !votes in favour of this which appear reasonably argued. Aredoros87 wanted to take things in a different direction but their proposals were not endorsed. Content to be merged can be recovered from the page history and is best left to people with expertise in the field to merge as appropriate.(non-admin closure) FOARP (talk) 14:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

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Azerbaijani-Mongolian cultural relations → Mongolian–Turkic cultural relations – In the AFD there seemed to be a least a somewhat of a consensus that this article is in need of drastic changes, including the removal of "Azerbaijani", which is WP:OR and historical revisionism/negationism as explained in the thread. Both the current article name and the suggested one are essentially Wiki names, I've not seen this being the actual title of a subject, which is what this article is making it out to be, but it's a start I guess. HistoryofIran (talk) 02:12, 23 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 07:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 14:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Isn't that virtually Turco-Mongol tradition? If so, I think the content could be transferred there, with this page becoming a redirect.

Aintabli (talk) 04:35, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Good point, completely forgot about that one. To answer your question, I would say kinda, because Turco-Mongol tradition is from my understanding essentially a culture, whilst this article is a mix of that and other stuff. I'll starting removing the non-WP:RS and revisionism/negationism now so we can get a more clear picture. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:28, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, I've cleaned some of the mess. But I genuinely don't think any of the info here in this rather disconnected article will improve the state of Turco-Mongol tradition (especially since it was originally created by a indeffed user who misuses citations). We have much better sources for that, such as Turko-Mongol Rulers, Cities and City Life, the books of Beatrice Forbes Manz, and so on. Anyways, I support a redirect to Turco-Mongol tradition instead. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:45, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree that this entry largely touches on broader Turkic stuff. I think there are no "cultural relations" articles on Wikipedia other than this and Armenian–Azerbaijani cultural relations. I would also support a redirect to Turco-Mongol tradition for now, but I believe after a careful review of WP:SYNTH, WP:RS, WP:VERIFY, etc., a part of the content could be added to Turco-Mongol tradition. Some could be included in Azerbaijan–Mongolia relations, if it gets created. Aintabli (talk) 17:17, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, and even this "Armenian–Azerbaijani cultural relations" article was made by the same indeffed user (Abutalub) and looks messy too. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment There's an issue. Mongolian-Turkic cultural relations is pretty big umbrella for this article. The article covers relations and it's impact only in a specific area (some parts of S.Caucasus and Iran). For example, it doesn't cover the relationship in Yakutia, Anatolia, or East Turkestan. Therefore we need to find a better name. I have 3 options:

1. Mongolian-Turkic cultural relations in South Caucasus and in Iran
2. Mongolian-Turkic cultural relations in Caucasian and in Iranian Azerbaijan
3. Mongolian-Turkic cultural relations in Azerbaijan (area)

We can create a poll for this. Aredoros87 (talk) 15:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:REHASH, you've already been told about the bit regarding Azerbaijan, we're not going to engage in historical revisionism. Not everything needs to have its own article, especially under made up Wiki names (see

WP:PAGEDECIDE), which leads to articles with disconnected information like this one. The majority of information like this can probably be in the Turco-Mongol tradition, whilst the rest probably in other already created article. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: let's give this one more push... – robertsky (talk) 14:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Culture has been notified of this discussion. – robertsky (talk) 14:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject History has been notified of this discussion. – robertsky (talk) 14:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree @HistoryofIran & @Aintabli that redirecting & merging usable information (however much exists) to Turco-Mongol tradition is a good idea here; the term "Azerbaijani" is OR and historical revisionism and should be removed. If anything, this article seems like a POV fork from T-M tradition. sawyer * he/they * talk 18:35, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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