Talk:B.O.D.Y. (album)
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Notability Tag
editTo the person that tagged this article for notability, please do a little research in the future, even the slightest amount. Machel Montano is very much a notable Caribbean artist, nationally, regionally and internationally. As per WP:MUSIC, official albums of notable artists (such as this one) are considered notable for their own Wikipedia pages. -- R45 talk! 23:56, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
- No, it isn't that it is considered notable, it says it "may be" notable. It also notes that articles consisting of little more than a tracklist should be redirected to the artist page. Why not fill out the article to address notability concerns rather than remove the tag with an insult. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- The artist has over 13 article albums on wikipedia (and over 20 albums total which aren't on wikipedia). They cannot be on the artist's page, nor even on a dedicated track listing article for all albums. You are now saying you were suggesting a merge? You haven't even used the right tag, and it cannot be merged anyway. You know what's insulting? Tagging the work of other people when you do little research. -- R45 talk! 02:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- No, a merge is one possible solution to dealing with the notability. Tracklistings are not highly relevant content. Make him a discography page if there isn't room in his article, and merge the lists there. That is another option. The third is, of course, to expand this article into a real article and not just a showcase of the tracks on the album. Option fur is, of course, deletion. What is insulting is your tone and attitude. There is nothing notable about this album, and just claiming its notable because of who made it smacks of laziness and a non-neutral point of view. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- You should reconsider accusing someone with a "non-neutral" point of view when on your userpage, you proudly have a userbox saying you're a delitionist. I'm pretty clear where my motives are, I expanded this entire section in the first place, my aim is to improve the representation of Trinidad and Tobago articles on Wikipedia, which this is one of them. Again, you keep saying there is nothing notable about this album. First, the artist is notable (are you actually arguing that?!?!). WP:MUSIC clearly states that officially released albums by a notable artist are considered notable. Second, you argue that it should be on the artist's page since it's just a track listing. WP:MUSIC again states that this is only applicable when there's space permitting. Presently there are 13 album listings (and many album pages are more than track listing) that would exceed the length of a single wikipedia article as per the suggested length in the Manual of Style. The same applies for even a discography page. So what on earth are you adding this tag for now? In your replies, you have yet to add any substance to your reasons for readding the tag, other than telling me I'm being rude. And calling this "not a real article" is quite insulting. I took a lot of time to build these pages. Yes, they're mostly all stubs for now, in the hope that other editors or myself will find time to further build them (because adding content takes time, much more time than adding contested tags or nominating for deletion). Saying this isn't a "real" article is quite insulting, when accusing people of being rude remember people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. -- R45 talk! 02:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- How would 13 albums be "too long" for a discography page? It wouldn't be at all. There are plenty longer ones than that. You have yet to actually show any notability for this album at all, and no the "may be notable if the artist is notable" is not an excuse to just make a ton of stubs with tracklists. This article has exactly ONE reliable source, showing possibility notability of a single song, and not the album. Again, read the ENTIRE WP:MUSIC, and if you can't find the sources to make it a real album article, why not really help improve the Trinidad and Tobago articles by making Mr. Montano a well-crafted discography that could be a featured list one day, instead of a bunch of stubs that are destined to stay stubs permanently. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Again with your back handed condescending remarks. Very witty and clever, I hope you understand sarcasm. Why don't you do the research necessary to properly expand this article. I'll give you tips, there was a music video for the "Dance with You" song that is on rotation on the top TV networks in the Caribbean, it was shot in New York. This album was the first that Kernal Roberts began producing for Machel. Kernal Roberts is the son of late great calypsonian Lord Kitchener and has transformed Machel's music since joining the band as a producer and drummer. Band of the Year was the first road march for Machel in 9 years, I believe he gave the prize, a car, to Kernal Roberts. Kernal also stopped producing for Destra Garcia with the production of this album, which caused quite a stir in the T&T press. The "Amnesty" song was used extensively by the Ministry of Community Affairs as a slogan since the lyrics are about gun violence and the economic divide creating crime in T&T. I would do all this myself, but it takes time to properly edit articles to include sources. I also have to spend a lot of time responding to un-constructive Wikipedia editors. -- R45 talk! 03:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Again, sources, not just your saying it is required, and that, again, is individual song notability and NOT album notability. *shrug* Up to you to decide to work on it, but until its actually fix the article to show ALBUM notability, not the notability of a song on the album. Until then the notability tag should remain. As for the unconstructive remark, hmm...I'm not the one who can't seem to find time to address valid concerns about an article I claim to be involved with, and I don't waste time complaining about someone pointing out an issue about my articles when its a valid one (which this is) and being all insulted about it. Instead, I fix it or acknowledge that it can't be fix and look at ways to deal with it another way. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- This is getting tiring. If you really cared about this article, you would've Googled properly (which would have made you rethink trying to contest notability). Then you would've expanded it yourself, or even ask for help in expanding it. But instead it's clear you enjoy playing Wikipedia police. Anyway, FYI I will expand this article as per my above points shortly (I was taking a break from these sections to work on other areas, as per my userpage, but that doesn't seem like an option right now), so I won't have to deal with the inevitable response to an AfD or some other poorly conceived action to "contribute" to the quality of this section. -- R45 talk! 03:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- I don't care about this article, never said I did and it isn't my place to expand it just because no one else wants to when I feel it is unnotable. I came to it because of the copyvio alert. Google results do not establish notability. Significant coverage in reliable sources do. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- This is getting tiring. If you really cared about this article, you would've Googled properly (which would have made you rethink trying to contest notability). Then you would've expanded it yourself, or even ask for help in expanding it. But instead it's clear you enjoy playing Wikipedia police. Anyway, FYI I will expand this article as per my above points shortly (I was taking a break from these sections to work on other areas, as per my userpage, but that doesn't seem like an option right now), so I won't have to deal with the inevitable response to an AfD or some other poorly conceived action to "contribute" to the quality of this section. -- R45 talk! 03:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Again, sources, not just your saying it is required, and that, again, is individual song notability and NOT album notability. *shrug* Up to you to decide to work on it, but until its actually fix the article to show ALBUM notability, not the notability of a song on the album. Until then the notability tag should remain. As for the unconstructive remark, hmm...I'm not the one who can't seem to find time to address valid concerns about an article I claim to be involved with, and I don't waste time complaining about someone pointing out an issue about my articles when its a valid one (which this is) and being all insulted about it. Instead, I fix it or acknowledge that it can't be fix and look at ways to deal with it another way. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Again with your back handed condescending remarks. Very witty and clever, I hope you understand sarcasm. Why don't you do the research necessary to properly expand this article. I'll give you tips, there was a music video for the "Dance with You" song that is on rotation on the top TV networks in the Caribbean, it was shot in New York. This album was the first that Kernal Roberts began producing for Machel. Kernal Roberts is the son of late great calypsonian Lord Kitchener and has transformed Machel's music since joining the band as a producer and drummer. Band of the Year was the first road march for Machel in 9 years, I believe he gave the prize, a car, to Kernal Roberts. Kernal also stopped producing for Destra Garcia with the production of this album, which caused quite a stir in the T&T press. The "Amnesty" song was used extensively by the Ministry of Community Affairs as a slogan since the lyrics are about gun violence and the economic divide creating crime in T&T. I would do all this myself, but it takes time to properly edit articles to include sources. I also have to spend a lot of time responding to un-constructive Wikipedia editors. -- R45 talk! 03:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- How would 13 albums be "too long" for a discography page? It wouldn't be at all. There are plenty longer ones than that. You have yet to actually show any notability for this album at all, and no the "may be notable if the artist is notable" is not an excuse to just make a ton of stubs with tracklists. This article has exactly ONE reliable source, showing possibility notability of a single song, and not the album. Again, read the ENTIRE WP:MUSIC, and if you can't find the sources to make it a real album article, why not really help improve the Trinidad and Tobago articles by making Mr. Montano a well-crafted discography that could be a featured list one day, instead of a bunch of stubs that are destined to stay stubs permanently. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- You should reconsider accusing someone with a "non-neutral" point of view when on your userpage, you proudly have a userbox saying you're a delitionist. I'm pretty clear where my motives are, I expanded this entire section in the first place, my aim is to improve the representation of Trinidad and Tobago articles on Wikipedia, which this is one of them. Again, you keep saying there is nothing notable about this album. First, the artist is notable (are you actually arguing that?!?!). WP:MUSIC clearly states that officially released albums by a notable artist are considered notable. Second, you argue that it should be on the artist's page since it's just a track listing. WP:MUSIC again states that this is only applicable when there's space permitting. Presently there are 13 album listings (and many album pages are more than track listing) that would exceed the length of a single wikipedia article as per the suggested length in the Manual of Style. The same applies for even a discography page. So what on earth are you adding this tag for now? In your replies, you have yet to add any substance to your reasons for readding the tag, other than telling me I'm being rude. And calling this "not a real article" is quite insulting. I took a lot of time to build these pages. Yes, they're mostly all stubs for now, in the hope that other editors or myself will find time to further build them (because adding content takes time, much more time than adding contested tags or nominating for deletion). Saying this isn't a "real" article is quite insulting, when accusing people of being rude remember people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. -- R45 talk! 02:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- No, a merge is one possible solution to dealing with the notability. Tracklistings are not highly relevant content. Make him a discography page if there isn't room in his article, and merge the lists there. That is another option. The third is, of course, to expand this article into a real article and not just a showcase of the tracks on the album. Option fur is, of course, deletion. What is insulting is your tone and attitude. There is nothing notable about this album, and just claiming its notable because of who made it smacks of laziness and a non-neutral point of view. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- The artist has over 13 article albums on wikipedia (and over 20 albums total which aren't on wikipedia). They cannot be on the artist's page, nor even on a dedicated track listing article for all albums. You are now saying you were suggesting a merge? You haven't even used the right tag, and it cannot be merged anyway. You know what's insulting? Tagging the work of other people when you do little research. -- R45 talk! 02:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)