Talk:BC Lions

NPOV

With respect to the pass interference no-call that cost the Lions the Western Final in the 2005 season, I agree that it was an extremely contoversial no-call, should Wikipedia state that it was pass interference, or should we say "many believe it was pass interference" etc.

Tawker 03:27, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I think "appeared to have been interfered with" leaves enough room for interpretation (and won't offend Eskimos fans), but it could be changed to "many believe it (the pass) was interfered with" or words to that effect.

Sundevilesq 18:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

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History section

This history section is getting really long (which is excellent). Perhaps it is time to give it its own page? Qutezuce 05:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

You think so? I kinda like the history with the team...I don't believe any other CFL team has a separate history page (or really needs one) Sundevilesq 18:18, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

How about the old Woodward's "Quarterback Club"? We had three generations of faithfuls for our old club... and what about "Crazy George"? ... I know there's no place for stuff like this, but the flood of memories from days gone by. Flytrap canada 23:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I made a article about the history of the BC Lions because I think it is nesscessary to become a good article nominee. The only thing we have to do now is to re-write the history on the main article but a lot smaller. $$Annoyomous24$$ (talk) 00:17, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Retired Jersey Numbers

I can't believe that ALL of the 8 retired jersey number honorees aren't linked! There's info on the web about all of them, and I recently completed a Wiki article on Lui Passaglia (please check it out and contribute to/edit it). I plan on working up a Willie "The Wisp" Fleming Wiki article as well. Sundevilesq 19:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

The Willie Fleming page is now up and running! Check it out! Sundevilesq 21:33, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't really get how Jamie Taras' #60 jersey number could be retired, when the current squad shows that #60 is being worn by Jason Jiminez (also an offensive lineman). Anyone know? Sundevilesq 07:12, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

All these jersey numbers are listed at [www.bclions.com] history section. I am also with you on the fact that I don't understand why Jason Jiminez has number 60 when it is retired. Bestghuran 16:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

IIRC, in an interview before Jamie Taras Night, it was stated that his number would be "honoured" rather than retired, owing to the fact that, given you only have 20 numbers (50 through 69) for linemen, that you would too soon run out. 24.84.233.33 (talk) 20:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Good Article nomination has failed

The Good article nomination for BC Lions has failed, for the following reason:

This article fails to Cite sources.Ardenn 00:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

By Bailey

In an effort to "wiki" each of the 8 retired jersey #'s of the B.C. Lions, I need some info on Byron "By" Bailey that I have been unable to find in a Google search. From a recent article in the Vancouver Courier (referenced on the Willie Fleming page), I discovered that Bailey died, but I don't know when he died. I think that information is pretty critical for a Wiki page, so if anyone knows, please let me know! Sundevilesq 04:23, 3 September 2006 (UTC) By Bailey was my high school coach and his daughter Laura was a cheerleader for the team. It has been 50 years since I last saw this good friend of mine, and the last time I knew of her whereabouts was in the Kelowna, B.C. area. Wanted to see if anyway I could say hello, one more time. Any one who could connect us? jeffcope5@gmail.com Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:160F:A10D:3C74:34E1:C181:D15D (talk) 02:52, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

This page

is much better than all the other western cfl teams, I commend those who have worked on this page. 64.230.107.149 18:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Historical logos

We're missing the logo for 1968-1980. heqs ·:. 23:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding it, User:Bestghuran! heqs ·:. 14:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Some jack @ss wiki editor removed the current Lions logo that appeared next to the helmet in the Info box. Does anyone have a "Wiki proof" logo they can supply? Sundevilesq 03:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like we're missing the old "paw" logo too. heqs ·:. 14:56, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

More research have to be done with the paw logo. I think it was used as the official helmet logo during the 50's and 60's. Bestghuran —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.104.157.49 (talk) 17:31, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is a reference for the old BC Lions logos and their timelines: http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/list_by_team/91/BC_Lions/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.2.246.32 (talk) 12:41, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

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Team name

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Can someone source that the team's name is infact the "British Columbia Lions"? Because everything I'm seeing says they're the BC Lions, not the British Columbia Lions. Officially the BC isn't just an abbreviation. Gateman1997 (talk) 18:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Here's a comment I posted on Bestghuran's talk page. — Hucz (talk) 04:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Listen up loser, I don't care what BC Lions Football Club states, what does B.C. stand for British Columbia, what is their proper name British Columbia Lions, what province do you think the team is representing. What did their first GM call them in the history section that you moved. Did you even look at the team's history on their website www.bclions.com. If you want to state B.C. fine-I have done so in their history page, (which you removed to a different site) and have ignored people like Gateman1997 for an explanation), but as a title leave it British Columbia Lions. Furthermore, don't threaten me about getting me punished for vandalizing the site buddy. I improved that site before you came along, I improved the sites of the other teams and started the CFL seasons dating back to the 30's and created their Awards pages, before you joined the bandwagon. Also the point of Wikipedia, is that everybody contributes not just you. As far as I am concerned I should inform Wikipedia of you vandalizing the name. Now, I would recommed that you owe me an apology and produce your explanation with respect. Now I have done my lecture - It is up to you be respectful and friendly or be a deucbag. (Bestghuran 13:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Uh, you're wrong.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 20:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Who is wrong? And for the record BC Lions Football Club does own the team. I would assume they're the final arbitrators of what the team's name is, along with of course common usage policy which would also support BC Lions over British Columbia Lions. Gateman1997 (talk) 21:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I meant Bestghuran was wrong. It's been clearly proven the official name of the organization (as well as common name) is BC Lions.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 21:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, now I am confused, because once I did that with another team that was a similar situation (two years ago I think) that is being with the same explanation that you guys are giving and they said I was wrong. That I should use the proper city/state name and nickname only, and do whatever in the rest of the page. But I would have liked it if somebody talked to me like a human being about it, Hucz! Because I keep changing the name and I don't check the discussion and I assume it is some non chalant idiot vandalizing the site. Usertalk:Bestghuran 15:20 19 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.104.157.49 (talk)

I agree that BC Lions is the correct name for the article. We can make whatever assumptions we want about the meaning of "BC" but we don't put them in the article or rename the team that without sources. If you really are User:Bestghuran, then I also ask you to review WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. It would be silly of you to find your move reverted and not see the reasoning why in the history. You certainly made your points in your edit summaries in your reverts. I also wonder what you were attempting here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BC_Lions&diff=239646058&oldid=239473676 Trying to evade move protection perhaps? Your move has been reverted and should now be discussed here. Make your case. Don't move it again without consensus. DoubleBlue (Talk) 01:38, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info Double Blue, next time I will do that. However, I checked: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BC_Lions&diff=239646058&oldid=239473676 and that is not my doing. I remembered trying to reverse it back, but I did not see the page looking the way it did from that link. Also I checked with the B.C. Lions through e-mail and asked them about BC. They replied that BC Lions means British Columbia Lions, but it just makes sense to call it BC Lions Football Club for short, rather than having longer spelling. One last summary, the entire CFL (tv/other teams,etc.) actually refer to BC Lions as the B.C. Lions, because British Columbia is of course not one word. Could we just come to a consensus and call the team B.C. Lions (Bestghuran) 06:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC).

Haha, not only did he personally attack me on several occasions (loser, idiot, deuchbag?), he was gutsy enough to "assume" that I was an idiot moving the page for no apperent reason and demand for an apology, when ironically, it was the exact other way around. Class act Bestghuran, way to be. — Hucz (talk) 05:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Hucz, you personally attacked me first and from this response you are definitely a loser. Haha - wow how classy, oh by the way this is how you spell apology. Haha, your a dumb ass. (Bestghuran) 06:21, 20 September 2008 (UTC).

Alright, so you were clearly wrong for moving the page multiple times, and realizing that you have no argument, you go after a typo. I'll take typo over making a complete fool out of myself, any day. You were very "creative" with your words like "classy"; I wonder where you got that idea? I advice you take a look at WP:APR, and maybe you will mature and learn some very basic "people" skills. That's right, there are other people walking this planet with minds of their owns. Better get used to it. If I personally attacked you previously, don't you think someone would of come and talked to me about it, and maybe even handed out a warning? Interestingly, exactly this very thing happened to you. The reason you probably feel I personally attacked you is because I pay attention to people, and in no time at all, I was capable of learning your edit habits and was able to correct them without crossing that line. There's a big difference between personal attacks, and the grey zone. Finally, I'm not the one clearing out my user page (out of embarrassment, perhaps?). Nah, I know better than that. — Hucz (talk) 06:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Hucz, you know what your right - I was wrong only with the BC Lions naming rights or official franchise name. However, a few years back I did the same what you did and people told me I was wrong and instead of figuring it out as a group - they got me suspended for vandalism and I used the same wiki rules to justify my case. From what you are telling me with this issue I had the impression that you were wrong, due to my experience and now I realized that I got shafted. But the way you explained it on my talk page was rude and inappropriate and I will tell you why. 1) You accused me of vandalism, which was not my intention and I did not read any of the discussions at all to even know what was going on and I thought I was dealing with vandalism myself. Here is a question for you why would I vandalize pages that I started i.e. CFL teams, seasons, HOF, awards, playoffs? You do know the majority of the stuff in the Lions page is from me - So why would I vandalize? 2) The time I did find out about the whole team name issue - was when you gave me that sarcastic talk page and ended it with - lecture done, I'm right, your wrong. Do you really think that is best way of approaching it. I don't care if I did get a civility warning and the only reason wikipedia even knew about it, was because you reported it. The way you handled this situation by verbally attacking me and accusing me of vandalism is ridiculous and maybe you didn't deserve to be called names, but I deserve to be talked to with some respect or approach that says "hey, were having a discussion on the name on the BC Lions page, this is what I found on wikipedia to justify this, let's discuss it." Not lecture done - I'm right, your wrong - hahaha. I'm still awaiting for my apology - however I am extending the olive branch first. By the way I erased my board, because that is just too damn long of a page - mostly on pictures - when it should be about talk. Also I got a question for you what happens to the team name if around the league (media, teams, league etc.) recognizes or states the franchise as British Columbia Lions/B.C. Lions or do we base it on what the franchise naming rights - in this case BC Lions? Because why would the league have the official wording or license as British Columbia/B.C., could it be possible the franchise are still listed with the league as British Columbia Lions/B.C. Lions (for short)? That is the recognition that the CFL are still going with since 1954, and I am sure the Lions franchise would have told them to change it to BC Lions. But if Wikipedia is going with whatever the franchise says they are that is fine with me.

Bestghuran (talk) 10:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.104.157.49 (talk)

You're absolutely right, I should of been more considerate, and approached the issue with a more formal tone. For that, I apologize. For the record though, I never did report you. I was about to, but realized someone had already handled it. — Hucz (talk) 14:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I withdraw my apology. I'm not the one calling names. Whatever I said to you, does not justify your personal attacks. Also, after reviewing my edits with my 34 year old brother, who by the way has a Bachelors in English, and a writer, says that I should not be apologizing. So, will you give it a rest now, Bestghuran? — Hucz (talk) 06:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Also, Bestghuran, give me one liable source stating they ARE the British Columbia Lions. You are in denial of this very simple and clear as day fact. I can give you 25 reliable sources stating they are the BC Lions. Will you stop using that as an excuse, and just admit it already? Sheesh. I can't explain it enough for you, without you taking offense at what I say. Honestly, you're being very unreasonable. — Hucz (talk) 06:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Well Hucz, It is a shame that you took your apology back and so I will take my apology back and just say we agree to disagree and that we simply hate each other's guts. However about the name, I was about to buy into your reasoning, and say (I was wrong) but I just came from the store and bought the team flag (the one you hang from your car doors), because I am a huge Lions fan, myself and we know that any sale of a flag or any other merchandise is registered with a sports league and that league's franchise. On this orange flag it has the logo that is currently on this page and located on the bottom of the logo - it actually says "British Columbia Lions" not BC or even B.C. - British Columbia, proving that B.C. is short for British Columbia. In addition, I also found my old 1994 championship poster that also says British Columbia Lions on it. And I even e-mailed the team and they stated that BC stands for British Columbia Lions football club. If you want proof, of this Hucz, I will be glad to give it to you through wikipedia and end this discussion, maturely. Bestghuran 12:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Bestghuran, you just don't seem to get that it doesn't matter what BC stands for. Everyone knows it's British Columbia but it's immaterial. The official name of the team is BC Lions. DoubleBlue (Talk) 19:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Bestghuran, I'm curious as to what this past situation was, and I'm willing to bet it was not the same as this one and you were wrong there as well.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 15:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Both of you guys are guilty of great immaturity; verbal attacks, name calling, aggressive tones, withdrawing apologies, insults. One, or both of you, needs to be the bigger person and actually mean your apology and let go. An apology should be unconditional, not a result of circumstance. It's okay to argue, but this is ridiculous. Stay on topic and use sources for your argument, not attempting to see who is the best bully.

In reference to the name, find an official source and record it. D.C. United of Major League Soccer is not officially called "Washington, D.C. United" or "District of Columbia United." This is an example of a team not using the full abbreviation.JaMikePA (talk) 23:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Franchise history

Also, why was the franchise history section cut out? Without it there isn't much of an article here. it's practically a stub. Gateman1997 (talk) 18:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

• Having it cut out is fine, but when you cut out a whole section like that you are supposed to have summary there still. Someone should summarize the history article and put that info into the main team page. -Djsasso (talk)

• I agree with Gateman1997. I think that we should put the franchise history section back into this article. Lets see what everyone thinks first though. Jimbö^V1 03:34, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Lets make this a featured article

I think we should work on trying to make this BC Lions article a featured article. For this to be successful, we need to; move the franchise history section back into this page, find lots of sources for everything, add some more info, expand the article, etc. Anyway, who's with me? Jimbö^V1 10:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Main Rivals?

Saskatchewan? Really? If the league sets up anyone as BC's rival it's the Alouettes, whom the Lions always play on Labour Day - the day for rivals (mostly because every other team has a real rival: Edmonton/Calgary, Saskatchewan/Winnipeg, Toronto/Hamilton). I would say Montreal is BC's rival, and if not them, then Calgary. But Saskatchewan? Where's that coming from? --24.80.173.156 (talk) 08:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

The "main rivals" should really be removed from all the team articles, because they're just the opinions of the editors, which don't belong in Wikipedia. Unless we can find references from reliable sources. Indefatigable (talk) 22:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Agree 100%. I'm removing it from this article because I don't see any historical justification for any "main rival" for the Lions. the Edmonton/Calgary, Toronto/Hamilton rivalries are legendary and the Saskatchewan/Winnipeg rivalry has really heated up in recent years and are all easily referenced but anything else is either recentism or personal opinion. DoubleBlue (talk) 01:51, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Fight Song Facts Incorrect

Dal Richards arranged and performed the Lions Fight Song; he did not compose it as the article says. The words were written in 1953 by Peggy Miller, who also wrote the lyrics for the Edmonton Eskimos fight song. The melody for the Lions Fight Song is not original, either. It was taken directly from "I Love The Sunshine Of Your Smile", 1951, by The Four Knights. "I Love The Sunshine Of Your Smile" was #23 on the US Pop Music chart that year, and was adapted for the Lions two years after.

Sources: BC Lions 2013 Media Guide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Knights

There's a YouTube version of the song you can find using a search engine, Wikipedia has blocked the site however.

I started digging into this when by chance I heard "I Love The Sunshine Of Your Smile" on JazzRadio.com, and have personal confirmation of these events from the BC Lions head office. Took a while, though.

Dall Richards is very much a talented composer, arranger, musician, and performer, and he deserves all the accolades he has received, but he only performed the piece and made an arrangement for his orchestra. The creative part was handled by others. Great song though!

Jeff S. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.48.65.14 (talk) 23:54, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

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