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Madonna - Erotica / Sex

The Section under music refers only to songs released post 2010, whereas Madonna released the ground-breaking S&M-themed song 'Erotica' in 1992. The video contains nudity, Madonna dressed as a dominatrix and S&M imagery. While the lyrics refer to S&M, pain as pleasure, infantilism and the female as the dominant partner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotica_(song) As well as this, she released the photograph book 'Sex' which is full of imagery of S&M & domination (female on female, female on male, male on female). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_(book) This was incredibly shocking in 1992, by the time Rihanna and Aguilera released their S&M-themed songs, the subject was already somewhat tame. Please give Madonna the credit she deserves for bringing the topic to the mainstream. 2A02:8309:2183:7800:BDFA:D66C:2D23:B424 (talk) 07:04, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Madonna - Hanky Panky / Human Nature

Furthermore, Madonna's 1990 single "Hanky Panky" is all about BDSM, with lyrics about spanking, bondage, domination. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanky_Panky_(Madonna_song) The video for her 1995 single "Human Nature" also contained BDSM elements, with Madonna dressed in a rubber bodysuit, chained to a chair and also dominating bound male and female dancers and wielding a riding crop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Nature_(Madonna_song) 86.49.231.136 (talk) 09:45, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit Request: "Addiction" section on masochism is absurd and offensive. Remove it.

The section on sadomasochism that describes it as an addiction was added by someone with an axe to grind and no sources to back them up. One citation suffers from every imaginable bias (a "phenomenological study" of 9 criminals in prison is hardly a scientific endeavor), and the other isn't even relevant (it's about gambling, and the supposed link is not apparent in the data). 50.47.99.220 (talk) 15:48, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

The latter statement (correlating gambling) feels like OR/conclusion of the reader, so that has been removed. The study, I'm unsure about -- I've heard others speak of the addictive quality, so it's not entirely untrue, but I'll let someone else weigh in on the validity here. HalJor (talk) 21:40, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

According to Carlström:

"Although several informants in this study used the language of addiction to describe their BDSM practices, it is important to point out that BDSM has not been scientifically established as an addiction. In this context, the use of addiction and drug metaphors can rather be seen as a way to find suitable words to describe what one is feeling; by using a language that belongs to a drug discourse, one can make oneself understood because it has intelligibility, and a common significance for people outside the community. In this sense, Cameron and Kulick (Citation2003) describe the meaning of language, in making ourselves and our actions understandable:

"Language – used about anything – is not a perfect representation of experience or reality. But because humans are not able to read each other’s minds or experience each other’s bodily sensations, we depend on language to communicate (or dissemble) what we think and feel and want."

Carlström, C. (2018). BDSM, becoming and the flows of desire. Culture, Health & Sexuality, 21(4), 404–415. https://doi.org/10.1080/13691058.2018.1485969

According to De Neef et. al, this study is not definitive and is an "interesting notion (that) should be explored in future research." Therefore, it is premature and stigmatizing to BDSM practitioners when there is no other supporting research on addiction and BDSM other than 9 practitioners' statements about their own experiences.

Nele De Neef, Violette Coppens, Wim Huys, Manuel Morrens, Bondage-Discipline, Dominance-Submission and Sadomasochism (BDSM) From an Integrative Biopsychosocial Perspective: A Systematic Review, Sexual Medicine, Volume 7, Issue 2, June 2019, Pages 129–144, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.esxm.2019.02.002 SusanWrightAZ (talk) 19:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Wow! Just some full-frontal nudity on this page huh.

Just a full set of titties and a vulva right on here. Stopchewingyourcuticles (talk) 10:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

The gender ratio on these photos is also real bad. The photos of nude women outnumber every other subject something like 10:1, and the majority of men depicted are clothed/dominant. Saying this as a researcher of the topic and former professional in the community this is not a good look for this article, doesn't represent the history of or current reality of BDSM as a culture, and it needs to be either heavily trimmed or balanced. Stopchewingyourcuticles (talk) 11:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit request: Reference 196

This reference and it's associated URL(s) redirect to "uea.su", an old domain on the UEA Students' Union which is no longer valid. The reference should be either removed entirely, or the URL(s) updated to reflect the domain change circa February 2022 (https://www.ueasu.org); as an aside, the associated student society no longer exists, so deletion may be recommended. Union Communications (talk) 13:38, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

The reference includes a link to an archived version, which is appropriate for a case such as this. No action need be taken. HalJor (talk) 21:07, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Reference has been updated. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 01:21, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

This article being considered an LGBT studies article

Why is this article considred an LGBT studies article. BDSM is not inherently LGBT. DarknessGoth777 (talk) 02:04, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Suggested Edit: Prevelence

Under Psychology, 3rd paragraph, it states: "The prevalence of sadomasochism within the general population is unknown."

Suggest removing the above sentence and adding a new paragraph stating:

In the U.S., a 2017 prevalence survey found that in their lifetime, 32% of adults have engaged in spanking, 23% have engaged in role-playing, 21% in tying/being tied up, and 15% in playful whipping. Attending a BDSM party was much lower, at less than 4% of the U.S. population. (Herbenick, 2017) In Canada, nearly half of the people who responded to a prevalence survey said they were interested in at least one kind of unusual sexual interest: voyeurism, fetishism, frotteurism or masochism. Men and women both expressed similar levels of interest in masochism, and masochism was significantly linked with higher satisfaction in their sexual life. (Joyal, 2016)

Citations:

Herbenick, D., Bowling, J., Fu, T. J., Dodge, B., Guerra-Reyes, L., & Sanders, S. (2017). Sexual Diversity in the United States: Results from a nationally representative probability sample of adult women and men. PloS one, 12(7), e0181198. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0181198

Christian C. Joyal & Julie Carpentier (2016): The Prevalence of Paraphilic Interests and Behaviors in the General Population: A Provincial Survey, The Journal of Sex Research, DOI: 10.1080/00224499.2016.1139034 SusanWrightAZ (talk) 23:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)