Talk:Banaras Hindu University

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Role of Besant

Hi @Fowler&fowler, I see that you have been repeatedly adding in the lede of the article the role that Besant played and how she was marginalised. Besant founded the Hindu College, which was incorporated into Banaras Hindu University established by Madan Mohan Malaviya. Even if Besant was promised administrative control of the University and later marginalised away, it needs to be included in the history section, and not the lede itself.

Further, all WP:RS point to Madan Mohan Malviya as the founder of the university and his brainchild, still, if one has personal interest in publishing a view based on few WP:RS that Besant was a victim and was marginalised, it should be done after consulting on the talk page. Questions like why she left Hindu College to Malviya, or why she left Hindu Univ later need to be based on her own writings or statements rather than interpretations of a select few compared to numerous RS otherwise.

Therefore, please discuss it here with the other editors involved and those concerned. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 05:59, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a reason I have added scholarly sources. They all make the point that the idea of the university was Besant's. Malviya was a fund-raiser who appeared much later. I have merely paraphrased the sources. The citations have long quotes. You can read them. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:01, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

That is separate from my point that it should not be in the lede, which you have again done without seeking comments from other editors. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 15:09, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Without knowing much about the subject, this edit seems excessive for a lead. The full discussion belongs in the history section. The lead does not need more than one sentence about it. Muhandes (talk) 16:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

RfC for Besant's role in lede

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Should the detailed and complicated history of the college preceding the university be added in the lede of Banaras Hindu University? -- User4edits (T) 15:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Responses

Please see the discussion at Talk:Banaras_Hindu_University#Role of Besant. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 15:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Pinging users editing the page: @Muhandes @Bluerasberry @Seomelono and @AirshipJungleman29. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 15:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

This is not a neutral RfC statement. "Detailed, complicated" are not NPOV terms. Please don't be so trigger happy in starting an RfC. There has not been enough talk page discussion to require an RfC. Please close and allow the talk page discussion to reach a critical mass. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:29, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• Shorten The history section in the lead is currently too long. My wish is that the lead of the article talk about the university today, not 100 years ago. There is a style recommendation for universities at Wikipedia:College_and_university_article_advice#Article_structure, but BHU is unusual for having a famous history which journalists continuously repeat even today. My first feeling is that Besant should be mentioned because so many sources mention here, but more than a sentence is too much for the lead. I would rather several sentences about contemporary university programs and research than several sentences about one figure in its history. Bluerasberry (talk) 15:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
• Procedural close per WP:RFCBEFORE. There have been two replies only in the above discussion, and an RfC is started? Why did you not try to discuss further, User4edits, before starting a process which takes up a large amount of community time? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
• I also recommend a procedural close. I'll voice my opinion in the talk page discussion above. Muhandes (talk) 16:05, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Procedural close - Per WP:RFCBEFORE and WP:RFCNEUTRAL. - Ratnahastin (talk) 10:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Gallery of notable alumni and faculty section Th

Per WP:ALUMNI, Alumni sections do not include photos of alumni. The last edit before the images were introduced is from 2021. I as in mind of reverting to that version when I realised the sources will be lost. This is beside the fact that the entire article suffers from excessive imagery syndrome. Muhandes (talk) 08:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)