Talk:B (New York City Subway service)/GA1

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Reviewer: Truflip99 (talk · contribs) 23:36, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@Truflip99: Thank you for this. I appreciate it. AmericanAir88^(talk) 13:08, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

From my first quick read-through, too many sentences start with "On <date>..." Let's switch it up a bit/give it more flow. --Truflip99 (talk) 23:36, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Lead

• 2¶, clarify: "The B operates weekdays only except late nights..." (not sure if that's saying it runs late nights on all days of the week)
• 2¶: "During rush hours, service extends beyond..." (for continuity)

History

• 1¶: "The designation B was originally intended for express trains originating from the Washington Heights..."

Chrsytie Street

• 1¶: "This service was initially to have been signed BT but was simply signed B instead." - Any particular reason for this? With source.

I could not find any source or information regarding this statement. I have removed it. AmericanAir88^(talk) 02:40, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• 1¶: "...during late night hours and Sundays B service did not operate, and TT shuttles..." - omit comma
• 1¶: "Starting on July 1, 1968, the B was rerouted..."
• 1¶: The West End Line shuttles were also made part of the B route.
• 2¶: "B service began running between 57th Street and Coney Island during all times on August 30, 1976, while alternate B trains commenced operating between 168th Street and Coney Island during rush hours."

Manhattan Bridge reconstruction

• 1¶, move this sentence up to 4th in order: The closure of the Bridge's north side tracks essentially caused the return of pre-November 1967 service patterns, before the opening of the Chrystie Street Connection: The orange B more-or-less replicated the former BB service, and the yellow B imitated the old T service.
• 1¶: The reconstruction of the Manhattan Bridge between 1986 and 2004 affected B service as the bridge's (unless locals keep this capitalized) north side tracks, which led to the Sixth Avenue Line, were closed multiple times.
• 1¶: These closures severed the connection between the northern and southern portions of the route, and as a result, the B was split into two different services on April 13, 1986.
• 1¶: The northern B service ran via Sixth Avenue, using an orange bullet, between 34th Street-Herald Square and 168th Street during rush hours only, replicating the service pattern used by the line prior to the opening of the Chrystie Street Connection.
• 1¶: Beginning on May 24, 1987, evening and weekend Broadway Line B service was cut back from Queensboro Plaza to 57th Street–Seventh Avenue.
• 2¶: B service operated to 57th Street during weekends and N service was increased to replace B service to Ditmars Boulevard.
• 3¶: Beginning September 30, 1990, evening...
• 4¶: The north side of the Manhattan Bridge closed on middays and weekends from April 30, 1995 until the following November, during which B trains...
• 6¶: The B was subsequently routed onto the...
• 7¶: "It now ran along Central Park West to 145th Street (Bedford Park Boulevard during rush hours) at all times except late nights." - Consider re-writing this. The statement in parenthesis is a little vague, as it doesn't say where Bedford Park is in the sequence.
• 8¶: However, This time, the southern half of the route, which runs on the Broadway Line, was named the W.

Refs @SounderBruce: Hey man, I need a second opinion regarding the use of Flickr files as refs. Could you please advise? --Truflip99 (talk) 14:43, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Truflip99: While these signs could be considered decent sources, they are formatted wrong (along with the SubwayNut references). Flickr should be listed under |via= or omitted entirely. Looking at the other sources, I also see a few unreliable fanwebsites, like EricTB.info and JoeKorner. Those absolutely need to be replaced. The book and newspaper sources also need page numbers. SounderBruce 23:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: I working on the refs per your request. What seems to be the problem with Joe Korner? His refs are on plenty of GA's such as 63rd Street Lines. Ref 8 also is an image Joe Korner uploaded via the NYTA. AmericanAir88^(talk) 00:16, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@AmericanAir88: Joe Korner does not seem to meet the criteria at WP:SPS, as his name does not garner any hits from a reliable and reputable secondary source. If his name is so far spread around the existing GAs, I think it might be time to reassess those reviews, as that is an alarming oversight. SounderBruce 02:59, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: I agree. It seems that after my research, he could not be found on a broad scale. Thank you for this. I have fixed your other citation issues as well. ~~�~~

@AmericanAir88: are you still addressing the refs? --Truflip99 (talk) 00:07, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

@Truflip99: 90% done. I am trying to find a replacement for the Joe Corner refs. Unless you are ready to move on. AmericanAir88^(talk) 01:52, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

@Truflip99 and AmericanAir88: What is the issue with the Flickr files? These are official NYCTA documents that indicate changes in service. The formatting has been changed. Why would these need to be replaced?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 01:37, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Kew Gardens 613, I think the issue is that it is supposed to say "via Flickr" in the citation, so like |via=Flickr. The images themselves are fine. Same with Joe Korman, it should be "via JoeKorNer.com" |via=JoeKorNer.com. As for the other articles being discussed which use Korman's webpages, they are simply scans of official documents for the most part, so should be fine. epicgenius (talk) 18:36, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Section break

• With the "Via" added and the cites fixed up. It is safe to say that the citation issue is  Fixed AmericanAir88^(talk) 01:26, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
  • @AmericanAir88: please be sure to address those missing parameters. I will proceed with final touches. --Truflip99 (talk) 17:12, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
    • @Truflip99: Parameters have been fixed or replaced. Thank you. AmericanAir88^(talk) 00:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Passed. After making my own ce edits, I will pass this now, but please add a ref for the station list. --Truflip99 (talk) 14:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)