Talk:Baarle-Hertog

Discussion

I would not exactly call Zondereigen "the main piece" of Baarle-Hertog. It is a very tiny village, rather a hamlet, whereas the other parts of Baarle-Hertog might each be smaller, but together with Baarle-Nassau form one much bigger populated area, a real village so to speak.

Currency

Before the euro, what currency was used here? Dutch gulden or Belgian franc? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 07:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow

These are 2 mad little towns. Borders between Italy and Switzerland or Germany and France can be a little haphazard but this is the most unusual I've seen. The question is how long will it last now that intra-EU borders mean so little and the economy of the Netherlands continues to out-perform Belgium and its more liberal and less-restricting laws?--Xania ^talk 14:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I wonder how mail is delivered, utilities charged (Is Netherlands actually exporting water and electricity) 63.79.88.148 (talk) 20:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that in the Dutch parts were guldens, and in the Belgian part the Belgian Franc, but in Baarle you could pay with both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.145.118.134 (talk) 09:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

But why?!

How did this happen? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.13.220 (talk) 16:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

What?

"He mentioned compulsory voting, but maintained he was allowed to build a house 300 metres (328 yards) away from a pig farm, which is illegal in the Netherlands."

So in the Netherlands every house has to be within 300 metres of a pig farm? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.148.20.225 (talk) 22:53, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Details

{{expand article}} As noted above, folks are curious about (adding a few of my own):

• Currency (before the Euro)
• Utilities
• Mail
• Openness of the border
• Immigration and residence
• Police and fire coverage

-- Beland (talk) 21:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Quadripoints

Is the quadripoint between H1 and H2 the only one? Because the map leads me to believe that there are quadripoints between H1 and H3 and between H1 and H6, and they aren't mentioned anywhere in the article. Are they real? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Untar la Manteca (talk) 17:50, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

That is indeed the only one. See here for a zoomable Open Topo Arcgis map and zoom in extremely. Jeff in CA (talk) 21:10, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

population

How many people live in the Zondereigen piece, and how many in the enclaves (collectively)? —Tamfang (talk) 23:30, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

pieces

In total, the municipality of Baarle-Hertog consists of 26 separate parcels of land. Four are linked to other Belgian municipalities, from west to east: the Baalbrugse Bemden, a strip of land along the Merkske, Zondereigen-Ginhoven and an area near Weelde-Station.

I studied a couple of maps and could not find Baalbrugse Bemden. Woe! The other three are close together. —Tamfang (talk) 04:55, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Enclave or Exclave

As B-H areas are defined as surrounded by Netherlands, it appears that they are exclaves. 2601:2C6:4300:B8C0:1CE6:F399:2050:57A4 (talk) 05:00, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

And enclaves, because each is surrounded by a single foreign territory. Do you wish to propose a change to the article? —Tamfang (talk) 00:13, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

I've only just stumbled on this article and was pretty sure that they are indeed exclaves rather than enclaves. After looking a bit more carefully it seems there has been a few edits coming back and forth at it. I believe the use of the enclave term here in this context may be a more colloquial and less precise usage. In my opinion it makes the article seem a bit confusing. Exclaves are often wrongly referred to as enclaves as the exclave term is likely less widely known. Even though the Enclave and exclave article first refers to the Baarle region as a "enclave and exclave system", it only makes mention of exclaves in the rest of the article when referring again to Baarle.

I suggest, for the sake of consistency and preciseness, to replace mentions of enclaves to exclaves.

I'd edit it myself but I'm not well versed into all of that and don't want to accidentally mess up everything, so if anyone wants to do it, I guess go for it 😀. CC @Tamfang Enygmate (talk) 19:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Enclave and exclave mostly uses "exclave" for Baarle because (take your pick)

• it's more concise than saying "exclave/enclave" every time.
• "exclaves of Belgium" has a clear meaning while "enclaves of Belgium" is less so.
• "BN has exclaves within BH" necessarily implies that they are also enclaves.

If a parcel cannot be both, that article will also need rewriting. —Tamfang (talk) 20:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Tamfang is correct on all counts. Worldwide, most enclaves are also exclaves, but that does not necessarily apply the other way around. The article is accurate as is. Jeff in CA (talk) 01:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)