Talk:Bachelor's degree/Archive 2007

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The list of degrees are not EXAMPLES, it is a comprehensive list of the types of B.A.'s. Perhaps they should be on a separate page list or have their own pages. However, getting rid of this list would be akin to getting rid of all of the species in each family of animals because they are 'examples' - clearly they are not examples, but an enumeration of various types!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.42.104.148 (talk) 17:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

♠ I missed the above comment. I agree with its logic. You should make your comments more visible and sign them, so we can see what you're trying to do.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 18:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

why is it called a bachelor's degree

Might be worth a mention? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.173.78.77 (talk) 16:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see this too (indeed, the disambiguation page for baccalaureate suggests that's what this page will do) Natebailey 13:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Specialisation/general education

Why are the Bachelor degrees in certain countries(The USA, Certain Canadian universities,etc)very broad and contain stuff like general education requirements ? IMHO these are utterly lacking in specialisation, general education should be done with prior to entering an institution of higher learning Kristian Joensen 23:03, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand the relevence of North America in the title of the main peice of text relating to the majority of degrees in the English Speaking world. Most of these degrees (and at least the naming system) originate from England. This would be irrelevant to the article, so perhaps Western Degrees, European Style Degrees, International Standard Degrees, take your pick. North American is incredibly not just incredibly introspective, but it's incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.92.211 (talk) 18:15, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I think i's good that in the US (e.g. Princeton) and the UK they have a more liberal approach to education. Even in Scandinavia, the system is modular (even if in a different way). This gives students flexibility. In the EU there are concerns that, with the modular system, students will choose the easy modules, but it is actually harder, you end up having a more difficult degree. In some countries education is too specialised, and you get a degree that is very narrowly focussed - is that the virtue of specialisation? I also think that you only specialise at the Masters level (not to be cynical and say, only at the PhD). The first degree is for trying things out. Interdisciplinarity is as much important as specialisation and, upon entering University education, you face this dilemma, but I am not sure what is the answer.Also, the Humanities and the Social Sciences are different than the natural sciences, and disagreements usually come from the latter category. It is up to the universities to establish strict rules for interdisciplinary degrees, and this is where there is a difference from one uni to another and from one country to another. Besides, taking a few modules instead of many does not mean you do not specialise: the courses that you take are the same (applies only to Full Time degrees). Ultimately, there are always those people whi like specialising and the more liberal ones, it is all a matter of inclinations. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.178.70 (talk) 22:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Bachelor of Dental Surgery

I'm wondering if we could add a link for the Bachelor of Dental Surgery to this list. I found this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dentistry#Dentistry_in_India

The B.D.S. is also conferred in China. I know this because i work with faculty members who were educated there and have this as one of their degrees. Earodrig 20:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

A quick google shows that we in AU/NZ also confer a B.D.S. Natebailey 13:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

rite

This addition to a degree title (recorded under US usage, among "cum laude" etc) is unknown to me, a UK citizen, graduate, and adviser in a University. Further, OED does not explain it AT ALL, either with or without fullstops. Could someone explain, please - at least to me, and best, in the article. MacAuslan 14:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Malaysia

The blatant advertisement for UCTI in the Malaysia section has been removed. Wikipedia is not your college brochure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.113.122 (talk) 06:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Wording of England, Wales and Northern Ireland category

The wording in this section, specifically: "Most degrees are now honours degrees, with an option not to take honours, and the standard length of a Honours bachelor's degree is 3 years." is a bit ambiguous in my opinion. The standard length of an honours degree in England, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland is four years, while an Associates Degree (formerly called the Diploma) is three years, AFAIK. Ma11achy 14:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about Ireland, but in my experience practically all Bachelors degrees in England & Wales are three years in length, except for those with placements and years abroad (usually an additional year between the second & final years) and foundation years (an additional year at the start to bring the candidate up to the degree starting level for whatever reason).

In most universities in England and Wales the de facto distinction between a Bachelor's degree "with honours" and one without is that the latter is a Bachelor's degree denied "honours" for one reason or another - either those that pass but don't get a third, or if the student has had to repeat a year or some other reason. (This can cause confusion as Master's degrees are not awarded with or without honours. But then adding "(Hons)" after the name is an unofficial practice.) Open is the only university I can think of which offers an "Honours degrees" and a degree without honours that have different requirements in terms of study - the ordinary degree is 300 CATS points, the Honours 360.

Degree and non-degree award terminology in the UK is historically rather inconsistent and downright confusing, but there are now moves towards standardisation. "Associates Degree" isn't a term I've heard in the UK sector, but Foundation degrees, Diplomas of Higher Education and Higher National Diplomas are all qualifications awarded for two year's undergraduate level study and would be the equivalent IMHO. Timrollpickering 20:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)