Talk:Bacterial phyla

Cladograms

ARB Silva Living Tree The Arb-Silva living tree project has the aim of creating a phylogram containing each validly published 16S and 23S sequence: currently there are over 8,500 species on the tree. The tree was created by ML without bootstrap: consequently accuracy is traded off for size and many phylum level clades are not correctly resolved (such as the Firmicutes).

"Neomura"	Domain Archaea (Eukaryotes not present in analysis)
Domain Bacteria	Thermotogae Thermodesulfobiaceae Incertae sedis XV (Firmicutes) Dictyoglomaceae Thermoanaerobacterales subclade (Firmicutes) Thermoanaerobacterales subclade Aquificae Thermodesulfobacteria Thermoanaerobacterales subclade Elusimicrobium Caldisericum Thermoanaerobacterales subclade Firmicutes (subclade) Halobacteroidaceae Halanaerobiaceae Cyanobacteria Vampirovibrio (delta) Thermoaerobacter (Firmicutes) Chloroflexi Actinobacteria Planctomycetes Chlamydiae Lentisphaerae Verrucomicrobia Gemmatimonas Fibrobacteres Deferribacteriales Ignavibacteriaceae Chlorobi Bacteroidetes Deinococcus-thermus Syntrophorhabdus Nitrospira Epsilonproteobacteria Deltaproteobacteria Chrysiogenetes Deferribacteres Acidobacteria Spirochaetes Zetaproteobacteria (singleton clade: Mariprofundus ferrooxydans) Alphaproteobacteria Gammaproteobacteria Betaproteobacteria

-- fg^TC 06:31, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

• I think that if content seems to be too large for a single article, then it is much better to split out than to 'hide' out in scrollable or collapsible boxes. The branching order section looks like a perfect candidate to become a Bacterial phyla branching order article (or whatever name is appropriate, I do not know). By the way, the section Overview of phyla needs expansion - some of its sections are simply threefold repetitions of the title 6.13 Dictyoglomi // Main article: Dictyoglomi // Dictyoglomi, many have litle more. And looks like another good candidate for splitting and eventualy merging in the smaller of the 'main articles'). - Nabla (talk) 11:48, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

References

Outdated "As of" tag

Hello! In the lede, there's a statement marked as outdated:

"Therefore, the number of major phyla has increased from 12 identifiable lineages in 1987, to 52 as of 2003.[8]"

Does anyone have an updated number? Or could we restructure the paragraph so that it isn't phrased like this? For instance the previous sentence says currently 52+, could we leave it at that? Thanks! Ajpolino (talk) 01:25, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

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Rename to List of bacterial phyla?

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I'm wondering if this article would be better described by the title List of bacterial phyla, since that seems to be what it predominantly is. This would fit with List of bacterial orders and List of bacteria genera. Thoughts? Ajpolino (talk) 23:11, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@Chiswick Chap, Ninjatacoshell, and Squidonius: pinging major contributors. Ajpolino (talk) 23:11, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

• Support Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:58, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
• Just redirect It isn't just a list though, as the lists of genera and orders are. You could split off the pure list part and have two decent articles for phyla, unlike the single sentence stubs for orders and genera. With metagenomics making the phyla a bit unstable, I only see the prose growing. Nessie (talk) 16:54, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
• Create two articles I concur with Nessie that this page should be kept for giving an overview of major/well-understood phyla and List of bacterial phyla would contain the full list, including the Candidatus phyla observed in metagnomic analyses and about which we know next to nothing. Ninjatacoshell (talk) 00:55, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I'm unconvinced two separate pages are necessary. If you look through some of the featured lists you'll see they often have quite a bit of prose defining the scope of the list, history of study of the topic, et al. For an example, see List of ant subfamilies. We already have pages for each major bacterial phylum, so at this page I'd imagine we want to have a brief history, a section on how these distinctions are made, and then lists of major phyla, metagenomic only phyla, etc. It seems like that all would make more sense under the title List of bacterial phyla, then under the title Bacterial phyla. Similarly, I don't think we need separate pages for Bacterial orders, Bacterial families, and the rest. For those who prefer the title Bacterial phyla, would you also prefer moving the other list-named articles to the analagous title (List of bacterial orders -> bacterial orders, etc.)? Ajpolino (talk) 01:19, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

No, we certainly don't want two articles. Just a simple change of title to say it's a list. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:08, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

• Comment Yes, a "rename in title only" does means that the article stays as is for now, but down the line it will be heavily trimmed by someone trying to make it compliant with the guidelines of a "list article". Fighting someone who has the holy guidelines never goes well, therefore a rename would be dangerous as the article is a good quality one and it would be a sin making it go down hill —okay, I am biased as I made the article way back, but you chaps have done a really smashing job keeping it. Squidonius (talk) 12:08, 8 February 2018 (UTC) (Matteo Ferla)

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CPR membership

Are Saccharibacteria and Peregrinibacteria members of CPR or not? Phylogenetic tree says yes, table says no, Saccharibacteria says close relatives are Chloroflexi, but in phylogenetic tree there(!) Chloroflexi are just used as outgroup to root the tree. And the taxobox there says Saccharibacteria are CPR.--Ernsts (talk) 22:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)