Talk:Bahawalpur

Correct co-ordinates?

I have a feeling that the co-ordinates in the article are wrong, and refer to Bahawalnagar. I think the correct co-ordinates for Bahawalpur are 29°23′32″N 71°40′17″E. Could someone check and fix the article please? — — Johan the Ghost _seance 23:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC) mr Johan the Ghost I Have Researched the exact co-ordinates of city which are Latitude and longitude 29°24'N 71°40'E respectively by Ali.wali.4550 —Preceding undated comment added 06:36, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Co Ordinates and Pictures

Using google earth, one can find the co ordinates of the place (near sadr pulli and ladies club) where i saw a mile stone Bahawalpur 0 KM , i shall be reporting soon. Further i am totally alien to wiki markup and HowTo edit the articles etc. But i have a large number of pictures of Bahawalpur to share and make the page very rich. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Junaidrashid (talk • contribs) 08:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

the State of Bahawalpur

I am curious if someone please post details what happened between 1947-1955 to the State of Bahawalpur. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.75.88.231 (talk) 13:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

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Map image breaches policy & has been removed

There is currently a deletion discussion taking place at Commons regarding File:Map on Dialects Of Punjabi Language.jpg, which can be viewed here. Regardless of whether the map image is deleted at Commons, I think that it needs to be removed from all English Wikipedia articles because it breaches our synthesis policy. The image creator has provided a long list of sources in the deletion discussion and it is evident from those that none contain all of the information shown in the image, nor is it a simple task to work out which bits of information were gleaned from which source(s). We simply do not permit people to aggregate information in this way. It should also be noted that the chances are very high that the various sources did not even adopt the same methodology in compiling their data, which makes the analysis of the creator even more suspect.

I have removed the image because the Commons discussion may end up as something other than "delete" and yet the thing is still invalid on English Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Map was deleted on two reasons. 1... Commons deletion discussion but now Deletion request by Sitush has been rejected on Wikimedia Commons. 2... Sitush has a self perception that map is synthesis, which is actually not because it is based on latest research of 2007 in the Publication named 'The Indo-Aryan Languages' by George Cardona and Dhanesh Jain. So I am re inserting it. Unless Sitush prove it again as a synthesis and refer me the areas of map being synthesized also mentioning the different publications along with page numbers where from in his kind opinion I have synthesized the map.Maria0333 (talk) 08:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Deleted content

I have deleted unsourced content from this article per WP:V. [1]. Please do not reinsert unsourced content in violation of sitepolicies and guidelines like WP:V, WP:RS. Thanks.OrangesRyellow (talk) 13:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Language of Bahawalpur

The article says 96% people of bahawalpur speaks Punjabi which is totally wrong.85% of citizens speak Seraiki Language the 5 most speaken language of counrty and rest Punjabi ,Balochi and Urdu but the article dissolves saraiki as dialect of punjab which violates the Constition of pakistan act 8 . so i need your support against fake writer help me in my edit because they always delete my edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ameerhamzaabbasi (talk • contribs) 14:50, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a reliable source, neither do we follow the constitution of any country. For any text to be added here we need reliable sources to support it per the Wikipedia's Verifiability policy as OrangesRyellow already mentioned above. -- SMS ^Talk 15:01, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Your most recent edit had just one source, the website of the census organization. What precisely should we be looking at? WP:BURDEN states quite clearly that "burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a reliable source that directly supports the material". So please provide exact details of sources, not just general pointers. Green Giant (talk) 23:40, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

By Ameerhamzaabbasi —Preceding undated comment added 06:22, 11 January 2014 (UTC) Present information in article about Language of Bahawalpur is not citing a single reference even.Wikipedia should acknowledge only works with cited reference so Please delete the false knowledge.The Information i provided in this specific section were: Saraiki is spoken by 85% of citizen my reference regard this were government census and wikipedia article regard Demographics of Pakistan section saraiki which clearly tells The language is most spoken in region.my second point was Saraiki is 5th largest spoken language in country which book Pakistan Page 32 .

I agree with Ameerhamzaabbasi and opened his sources and reference and agree with his remarks the article 

about language is totally corruptAmeerhamzaabbasi

you will be soon answered by Wikipedia by  

Ali.wali.4550 —Preceding undated comment added 06:26, 11 January 2014 (UTC) Wikipedia is trusted to be as authentic encyclopedia but its information regard language in bahawalpur are really alarming this section says that [Saraiki] is a part of punjabi dialect and it also count saraiki in punjabis.The section also sites that balochs are living in distric which have no refrence,I am a citizen of bahawalpur and census tells that a minority of punjabi lives in cities village Yazman but still the article is not allowed to edit.It seems like wikipedia is showing a rosy picture which have no relavance with reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali.wali.4550 (talk • contribs) 14:32, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2014

Hello plzz i want to make a bit change in bahawalpur article like its nickname and its current population number is changed and a lots more plz accept my request Farhanrasool000 (talk) 15:24, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

As the above template said request should be in the form of " change X to Y". Write the name you want to add and current population along with sources and someone will do it for you. -- SMS ^Talk 16:10, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

language of bahawalpur

there is no clear percentage given about language in city ,i have some reliable sources regard this section please allow me to edit--Ali.wali.4550 (talk) 19:32, 11 April 2014 (UTC).

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Biographical information about Masood Azhar

A user keeps adding lengthy biographical information on this militant on this city page. He re inserts it under the argument that his material is sourced. The problem isn't whether the material is sourced, but whether it is relevant to a city.

One should feel free to insert this information on the article for Masood Azhar, but to suggest that such extraneous information about a mans life belongs on a page about a municipality is a bit silly. And yes, it is indeed extraneous because again, this is a page about a city called Bahawalpur, not a man named Masood Azhar. There is already a page dedicated to him, and that's where this info belongs. Not here. 138.229.215.167 (talk) 09:05, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

The "user" is me. I am considering rewording the text as well as to find better sources. You are unfortunately missing the point that Masood Azhar is a product of the Bahawalpur Deobandism, and is now the leader of it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:22, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm not missing the point, and I in fact think you are. The information you posted is Masood Azhar's biographical information. There is a page for him already, so that's where the information goes. This is an article about a city, not a man. There were also numerous inaccuracies in your writing, with a misconstruing of what was stated in the source vs what you typed up and attributed to the source cited. Further, Azhar is a leader of JeM - none of your sources cited state he is "the leader" of Bahawalpur Deobandism.2600:1012:B022:4C5C:508D:4A4:8D74:E3BA (talk) 20:01, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2017

Christianity in Bahawalpur:

A Christian Mission School established in Bahawalpur state in 1876 by Church Missionary Society. Another record tells that Christians exist their presence since 1940. 39.53.67.17 (talk) 06:44, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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Languages

Saraiki [[2]] Urdu [[3]]Jawadabbasi (talk) 12:24, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

We'd need a source for that. As far as I know there's no published census data about languages at the level of individual cities. – Uanfala (talk) 14:15, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Continuous Vandalism

^Talk Editor, please note, some anonymous continuously change the name of Mayor Bahawalpur due to envioness. Whereas, the name of Mayor is Aqeel-ul-Najam (Aqeel Najam Hashmi), so therefore, kindly lock these changes for future edits and please help to prevent this vandalism.

P.s. you can also check for name change history. For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mayors_of_Pakistan_2016 (Asim mz (talk) 23:14, 2 February 2021 (UTC))

Major Changes

I just made some major changes to the Bahawalpur article. This is my first edit ever. Can you comrades review it? I mainly used the Punjab Government information website. P.S. How do I see what changes I made? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frodo Nine-Fingered (talk • contribs) 07:45, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

IPA Discusssion

@SheriffIsInTown: Is your objection towards the IPA, truly because it's unsourced, or is it because you feel it's cluttered? If it's because you'd like references I can provide them... نعم البدل (talk) 18:23, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I have both objections. First, we should avoid cluttering the lede. Second, even if I were to overlook this, I'm unsure if it's written the same way in Punjabi as in Urdu, and I also question whether the IPA for Punjabi is accurate. Ideally, I would prefer a reliable source in Punjabi regarding Bahawalpur that confirms the spelling and pronunciation. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:44, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

@SheriffIsInTown: Thank you, hopefully we can find a way to work on this.

• First, we should avoid cluttering the lede – I am a minimalist too, so I completely understand your point on this (I've also spent a good time here on Wikipedia sorting out infoboxes and ledes too), but I do think that including the Punjabi IPA is important, and shouldn't be disregarded. After all, it's the major tongue of Bahawalpur (and Punjab, and by extension the entire country). When the IPA of multiple languages has to be included, I have often combined them into a note like at Jhelum river. If the lede feels overwhelming, perhaps we could do something like that here too? Though, if I'm being honest, I think it looks fine as it is.
• 'm unsure if it's written the same way in Punjabi as in Urdu – There's an easy way to check this. If you search the name بہاول پور in quotes, along with some common Punjabi words, you will find books written in Punjabi, that mention this place, such as (hopefully this works in your location too – if not, remove the supplementary Punjabi words from the search box) [4] (pg. 42, 144, 209), [5] (pg. 12), [6] (pg.15, 26, 152).
• Ideally, I would prefer a reliable source in Punjabi regarding Bahawalpur that confirms the spelling and pronunciation – This is always a little tricky because Punjabi IPA for specific name places are seldom recorded, but we can be certain that since Punjabi is a tonal language, and in Punjabi Syllable-initially [h] causes a falling-tone. Of course the IPA isn't just reconstructed, it's based on actual pronunciation, but this does back it up. نعم البدل (talk) 06:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)