Talk:Bajo Pivljanin/GA1

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Reviewer: Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs) 04:07, 19 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

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1. Well-written:
  1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.

General

*There are some enormous paragraphs, I'm breaking them up as I go.

*there is a bit of unexplained jargon such as "slava" which would benefit from a brief note.

Early life *According to what "tradition" was he born in Rudinice? It would be better to attribute the source in-line ie "According to the historian X Y, Pivljanin was born in Rudinice..." Although there appears to be a number of different versions of what year he was born, and they should all be mentioned in the text rather than in a Note

  • Explain what the different sources say about his family background, and attribute them in-line to the sources rather than in a Note
  • Who wrote the epic poem Sa šta Pivljanin Bajo ode u uskoke? Is it known? If so, their name and title (poet etc) should be stated in the text.
  • who was Asan-aga Kopčić? I assume an Ottoman-appointed noble or similar? Was he also a Montenegrin?
  • I've made an assumption that he was assaulted by Kopčić, but perhaps the violence was against his possessions or a family member? What does the source say about the specifics?

Cretan War *I've made a few assumptions in the c/e, that the Venetians were defeated at Moraca, and that the Ottomans built the fortress at Kolasin.

*I changed 62,5 to 62.5 per MOS:DECIMAL Inter-war period *This section is particularly hard to follow. The grammar and chronology is a bit out, especially at the beginning, it should probably start with the decision of the provveditore, then the visit to Venice, and the result of the request for land for the hajduks to settle.

Legacy *Who was/is Vukašin Gagović?

I have passed this criteria, but the prose remains a bit clunky in parts. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:34, 6 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

  1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
  • There is a bulleted para without explanation
2. Verifiable with no original research:
  2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
  2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).

*What makes Project Rastko a reliable source?

  2c. it contains no original research.
  2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
  3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
  • The lack of Ottoman accounts tends to indicate that one of the aspects of the topic isn't covered.
    • Are there any Ottoman accounts? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:12, 27 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
      • Yes, Bojović (2008), p. 143 for instance says that the famous hajduk leaders of this period, including Bajo, were mentioned in numerous lawsuits, including Ottoman ones. There are other sources that state likewise (i.e "Bajo ... known from Venetian, Ottoman, Ragusan sources").--Zoupan 16:41, 27 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
        • I'm passing this criteria as marginally met, but it would need balancing viewpoints from the Ottoman side to definitely have coverage of the main aspects
  3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
  4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  • This is hard to establish. Surely there are Ottoman accounts of his activities which might be less positive?
  • I have removed a few "puffery" adjectives here and there.
  5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
  6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. File:Bajo Pivljanin, head shot.jpg should be {{PD-art-100}}
  6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
  7. Overall assessment. On hold for seven days for various criteria to be addressed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:46, 20 August 2016 (UTC)Passing. If it is intended to take this further (ie Milhist ACR or FAC, I suggest putting it through peer review and a GOCE copy edit beforehand, as there are still some clunky aspects to the prose. Given his head was taken to the capital, there must also be Ottoman accounts of the subject that are not quite as hagiographical. To really address the comprehensiveness criteria, I would expect to see some of that. This has been a long process, I hope it hasn't been too frustrating. Regards, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:29, 15 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

The review was open for more than a month, I ping the reviewer (Peacemaker67) and the nominator (Zoupan) to have a look at it. The article has no edits since 10 September 2016 though the nominator is active. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 03:40, 27 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

I would appreciate if passed points be struck.--Zoupan 20:29, 3 October 2016 (UTC)Reply
I have passed a couple of criteria that have been marginally met. The remaining key ones are the uncited sentences (a major problem) and the untranslated source titles (a minor problem). Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:09, 4 October 2016 (UTC)Reply