Talk:Bakemonogatari (manga)

Consistent display of ISBNs

ToraNeko (talk) 20:43, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Greetings,

As stated in ISBN, the composing parts of ISBNs are variable in length.

Hyphens (or spaces) are be used to show the decomposition into "languages"/"countries", "publishers", etc...

"Larger" languages/countries get "shorter" identifiers/codes: "978-0-" and "978-1-" for "English", versus "978-99915-" for "Maldives". (c.f. [1])

"Bigger" publishers get "shorter" identifiers/code. (c.f. "978-1-" publishers)

Many publishers have several identifiers/codes, which may vary in lengths: c.f. [2] versus [3]

"Consistent display" means removing all separators, which is detrimental to readability.

But, moving the separators to invalid places is misleading (verschlimmbessern)

Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

@ToraNeko:The English-language translations of the Monogatari Series novels and of the Bakemonogatari manga use the ISBN format 978-1-XXXXXX-XX-X. The use of that format for all the English-language releases is consistent. When you moved the separators, you actually made them misleading. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 20:54, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

@Jkudlick: Please, read the links provided previously. Publisher Code "647290" does not exist. ISBN is an example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_code

Bakemonogatari volume 9: https://www.penguinrandomhouseretail.com/book/?isbn=9781949980998 => 978-1-949980-99-8

Bakemonogatari volume 10: https://www.penguinrandomhouseretail.com/book/?isbn=9781647290078 => 978-1-64729-007-8

ToraNeko (talk) 00:04, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

A similar example, in another field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Country_calling_codes_map.svg

"+1" is "USA"/"Canada"

"+44" is "UK"

"+353" is "Ireland"

"+440" is not a country. Neither is "+35". ToraNeko (talk) 00:22, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@ToraNeko: I'm looking at my copy of Bakemonogatari Volume 10 right now, and the ISBN printed on the cover is 978-1-647290-07-8. Since that is what is printed on the book, that is the format we use. In the end, it doesn't really matter where the separating characters go since the last digit is a checksum value based upon the values of all 13 digits preceding it, regardless of any separating characters. Be careful, as some people could view pointing at telephone country codes to prove a point as "other stuff exists" or a sign of bad faith. I understand you are trying to defend your stance, so I do not take any offense.

One more thing, since this discussion is regarding article content, the more appropriate place for this is at the article's talk page, not on my personal talk page. I will copy this conversation to Talk:Bakemonogatari (manga); if you wish to continue this discussion, we can have it there where it will also draw the attention of other Wikipedians who work on the article and may have an opinion. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 00:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Jkudlick: Thank you for moving the discussion.

To sum up, we have WP:CONFLICTINGSOURCES and WP:PSTS:

- You are citing your copy of the book.

- I am citing https://www.isbn-international.org/range_file_generation ("External links" from ISBN)

ToraNeko (talk) 10:17, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Why doesn't the translation in the lead say "monstory"?

it seems silly to use the word "tale" instead of "story" when the latter allows the portmanteau to be preserved. Is there a specific reason why this word has been chosen instead? Camholl (talk) 14:38, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

"Monster Tale" is the official translation provided from Penguin Random House and Vertical Publishing, at least for the light novels. I've added a {{lit}} translation to the {{nihongo}} in the lead. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 15:40, 23 October 2022 (UTC)