Talk:Baloristan
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merging Bolor-Tagh & Baloristan
editI highly suspect the two terms are cognates describing the same region, just transliterated differently by different sources, and then modern nation boundary divided the region into 2-4 neighboring countries. --Voidvector (talk) 00:47, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- No, not the same. In fact Baloristan and Bolor-Tagh are two different entities. Baloristan or Balawaristan is the historical name for current Gilgit-Baltistan region, that also included Ladakh and Chitral, where Bolor-Tagh is an ancient name for a mountain sub-range. --Kazmi1122 09:40, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, possibly. But right now "Baloristan" is just a conceptual entity, with some historical usage attested, and otherwise attached to political separatist movements of Gilgit-Baltistan. I don't see how we can merge real places into a page on identity. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:32, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- The Bolor-Tagh page says it is an "old name", but doesn't say what the current name is. Do you know? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:03, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- The description appears to be for Muztagata Range, which is now considered a sub-range of Pamir Mountains. I have also seen the name "Tashkurgan Range" being thrown around in Google searches, but not able to find descriptions of Tashkurgan Range's boundaries.
- I am not sure that part of the article text is accurate based on what I can easily dig up from Google Books:
Its classical name was Taurus and its medieval name Bolor Tagh; in more recent years the Nezatash or Pamir or Sindi Range; and latterly Sarikol. It now forms China's west boundary.
(Source: Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal)Tartash Tagh or Tartash-I-Ling, is the Turkish name for that mountain-system, which, by the Chinese, is called Thiung-ling, and on our maps Bolor Tagh or Beluth Tagh.
(Source: Penny Cyclopaedia) The Chinese name "Thiung-ling" appears to be an ad hoc transcription of "Onion Range" which is Pamir Mountains. (See Pamir Mountains#Names)- Some fiction that describes the real life boundary of Turkestan
- The term was likely just another name for Pamir Mountains. --Voidvector (talk) 00:29, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Kautilya3: Was Ladakh considered a part of this region? Some editor added this a while along with other claims, seems incorrect to me. Can you please check. Also if anything this article should be merged with Balawaristan, this article is just a fork of that. Gotitbro (talk) 11:19, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- The historical "Bolor" only covered Gilgit and Baltistan. Modern "Balawaristan" is an irredentist concept. So it can mean whatever they want it to mean. If Ladakh is included, it would need to be attributed to whoever made the claim. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Voidvector: Baloristan or the Balwaristan covered Chitral, Shinaki Kohistan (merged into Pakistan), Gilgit-Baltistan (under Pakistan), and Ladakh and Kargil (under India). --Kazmi1122 9:15, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Kazmi:, thank you for your local knowledge. Could you find citations for what you mentioned? Currently, the best we have on Bolor-Tagh are antiquated European/Chinese literatures. --Voidvector (talk) 09:15, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- See also discussion at Talk:Bolor-Tagh#Bolor/Balur. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)