Talk:Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud

Top importance?

I think top importance is a little bit overrated. Anyone object to lower it to high importance ? --Dwarfpower 20:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

embassor in the united stated , such articles should have highest attention for saudi wikiproject , dont you agree with me ? Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 03:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Prince Bandar is former ambassador to the US. That is a high profile for certain, but he is not a top executive of the kingdom, nor is he in line for the throne. He is not in a position to decide the political line of his contry but only in a position to inflence it. If such a person is to be of the highest importance, then IMHA, a whole lot of people will be, which contradict a little bit the notion in itself. --Dwarfpower 09:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

the top importance here belongs to How much works it needs from the wikiproject members , for example : Abraham Lincoln article has recieved top importance from several american wikiprojects while the man is dead long time ago and doesnt have his political position anymore . same here Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 16:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Ammar, you're wrong. You are saying the rating is about quality and how much it needs to be improved. That's totally wrong, it's a measure of how important a subject the article is. The criterion for "top" says "The article is one of the core topics about Saudi Arabian studies. Generally, this is limited to those articles that are are included as sections of the main Saudi Arabia article."

Back to the discussion as raised. I believe it should be at least "high" importance. My reference is the 10 June 2007 Sunday Times (News Review/Section 5), it describes him as "the best connected man in the world." Quoting GW Bush: "My dad told me before I make up my mind [whether to run for president], go talk to Bandar. One, he's our friend. Our means America, not just the bush family. Number two he knows everyone around the world who counts. And number three, he will give you his view on what he sees happening in the world." The piece gives Bandar credit for securing the release of the US Navy crew from China in 2001. On January 11 2003 Bandar was invited to view top secret plans for the invasion of Iraq. Mark83 17:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I thought the Class field is for article quality . Anyways, i'll change it to High importance. thanx for care gentelmen . Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 22:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Just wanted to add that his mother was a slave from Sudan. It is a known fact if you're from the royal family, and it was King Faisal that wanted to include him, hence the marriage of convenience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.201.119.207 (talk) 15:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Servant::

I changed his biographical information from saying his mother was a slave to a servant. The reference provided does not say she was a slave but says she was a family servant. Inf fg (talk) 17:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I may be wrong but this article dosnt seem to mention that the prince is much critisised in the book "house of Bush House of Saud" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.219.153.207 (talk) 23:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

London Guardian Article

BAE: secret papers reveal threats from Saudi prince

Saudi Arabia's rulers threatened to make it easier for terrorists to attack London unless corruption investigations into their arms deals were halted, according to court documents revealed yesterday.

Previously secret files describe how investigators were told they faced "another 7/7" and the loss of "British lives on British streets" if they pressed on with their inquiries and the Saudis carried out their threat to cut off intelligence. Ref: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/15/bae.armstrade —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.189.239 (talk) 17:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Reported coup

The claim that he attempted a coup, and is under arrest, is supported only by a reference to Press TV, which is operated by the government of Iran. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources, particularly for BLP articles. This story has been around for a day now, and it hasn't been picked up by any reliable news sources, just a few blogs repeating PressTV's claim. I've removed this claim; please don't re-add it without much better support from reliable, independent news sources. -- Finlay McWalter • Talk 12:09, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

in september 3: he gets four-year extension as NSC chief. Dy yol (talk) 06:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

So, is he fine and well? 93.80.235.3 (talk) 18:17, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

No reason to assume otherwise. Sole Soul (talk) 20:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Parentage - protection

Over the last few weeks someone (it seems to be only a single person) editing on a range of IPs has insisted on adding information about Bandar's mother. For a BLP really everything should be sourced, and in particular anything defamatory (which, in my personal view, this is) should be particularly well sourced. I've tried to engage the editor in discussion, and repeatedly asked for sources, but they're just adding the same stuff time and again, and blocks aren't effective. So I've reluctantly semi-protected the article for a time (which I absolutely despise doing). I'd very much welcome a proper discussion of the sources that support this claim, if any are forthcoming. I'll also post on the BLP noticeboard. If any administrator thinks this protection is in appropriate, then I invite them to unprotect without further discussion (although to my mind they assume the moral burden of monitoring the article). -- Finlay McWalter • Talk 22:40, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

death notices

Recently IP editors try to put info claiming he is killed in a bomb blast on 26 July 2012. Please be careful not to contain unsourced material. It is very crucial. Thanks, Egeymi (talk) 06:41, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

http://www.voltairenet.org/Syria-reportedly-eliminated-Bandar Keith-264 (talk) 12:46, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Please wait for the confirmation by the Saudi government or other reliable news agencies.Egeymi (talk) 13:36, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Lol, Assef Shawkat was declared "poisoned" on Wikipedia with absolutely no confirmation, why should this guy be treated any differently? FunkMonk (talk) 14:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

http://www.timesofisrael.com/pro-assad-websites-claim-syria-has-killed-saudi-intelligence-chief-to-avenge-damascus-bombing/ FunkMonk (talk) 15:20, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I wish it would not be put without confirmation. All I can say is that. (BTW, Your "Lol" is not appropriate in this context).Egeymi (talk) 15:30, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Define "reliable news agency". I think Iran's PressTV http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/07/31/253594/new-saudi-spymaster-killed-report/ has proven to be consistently more accurate than most news agencies these days, even if it's heavily opinionated at times...But then again, have you ever read some of the articles on North Korea by US media outlets?

Yes. The Iranian government believes in Holocaust_Revisionism, but that doesn't mean everything else they report is untrue. "May he without sin" etc.

I'll be back in a few days to gloat and criticize over-reliance on Western media, when the Iranians are proven correct. Solntsa90 (talk) 04:30, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Solntsa90, where are you, you said in a fews days, but today is 16 September 2012. While making a claim, people should be less ambitious.Egeymi (talk) 09:52, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

P.S: Interesting that The Iranians are first to break the story. Wonder if they had a hand in it? Anyways, he will not be missed. Solntsa90

Iranian Press TV is a reliable source per WP:RS – as is Fox News. WP:RS has nothing to do whether the information is true or not. However, any information or claims coming from Press TV alone have to be properly attributed. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 14:53, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Look at the news given by another Iranian agency on 30 July 2012. How can a dead man be the subject of this news?Egeymi (talk) 10:33, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

• Comment Per the recent additions and the debate about them, I have tagged the article. This needs reliable sources, and info has to be cited, not OR. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 02:22, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Today there are rumors of Ali Khamanei's death.Egeymi (talk) 08:21, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Do random tweets now act as sources for 'rumours'? Be serious Egyemi, all that needs to happen to dispel this 4 day old rumour is for him to appear in public - it still hasn't happened - even IBT has picked up this story, http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/368685/20120731/prince-bandar-bin-sultan-saudi-spy-chief.htm.194.176.105.142 (talk) 13:13, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Of course, random tweets cannot be used as sources, I put the message above just to show people who want to believe rumors that we should not believe everything we read. Now the dispute is over, anyone who wants to learn facts, not rumors may refer to here.Egeymi (talk) 19:28, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

That works. Thank you Egeymi. Ism schism (talk) 15:00, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

It's a semi-official denial, but hardly an impressive one, original source Were these public appearances before or after the putative 'blast'? Has Bandar been seen in public since? Why does Arab news insist he won't be, if there's nothing to hide? These rumours could very easily have been quashed, instead the Saudis have helped throw petrol on them. Cpsoper (talk) 15:35, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

For those interested in Iranian media's conflicting reports. Despite assassination rumors, on 2 August the said media published comments on Prince Bandar like that on 30 July 2012 given above. The comments from David Ignatius.Egeymi (talk) 09:46, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks have included these refs with your help, in a way that seems encyclopedic. Cpsoper (talk) 22:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Youtube video

It is certain that videos may be used. However, those full of defamation cannot be used as source. Editors should avoid calling the deletion of such edits as vandalism. Putting the videos of this kind is the real vandalism.Egeymi (talk) 15:50, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok.. I didn't add the youtube video but the rumors have been repeated in several news sources;

• http://www.timesofisrael.com/pro-assad-websites-claim-syria-has-killed-saudi-intelligence-chief-to-avenge-damascus-bombing/
• http://tehrantimes.com/middle-east/100129-saudi-spy-chief-prince-bandar-assassinated-report
• http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/368685/20120731/prince-bandar-bin-sultan-saudi-spy-chief.htm

It is an incontrovertible fact that Bandar Bin Sultan has been rumored to be dead and this has been reported in at least 3 major news sources. Even if he later turns out to be alive it is a fact that he was rumored to have been dead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.68.95.43 (talk) 16:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Update needed

It is now over 6 months since Bandar bin Sultan was reportedly killed. Is there any news of him since? -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

The Telegraph reported via a Middle East news source that Bandar and Russian President Vladimir Putin held a diplomatic meeting in July over Syria, Egypt, oil and the Olympic Games. Jodayagi (talk) 00:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Even further update needed

It has now been almost a year, and still no sign of any public appearances of Prince Bandar. Can we confirm? Solntsa90 (talk) 11:10, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Based on what sources? FunkMonk (talk) 11:36, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Although there is no picture of him, there is many news mentioning him, including Iranian press. Egeymi (talk) 21:04, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Update needed for Putin meeting

This article needs to be updated with the events arising from his July 2013 meeting with Putin:

• http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/us-syria-crisis-saudi-russia-idUSBRE9760OQ20130807
• http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10266957/Saudis-offer-Russia-secret-oil-deal-if-it-drops-Syria.html

Plus more sources, some behind paywalls. -84user (talk) 05:36, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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Health Concerns

Why does this BLP have a section labelled "Health concerns" that just lists his, very common, bad habits such as smoking and drinking? It certainly sounds more like something a concerned relative would say about him, than an encyclopaedia. No problem listing his habits, but labelling them as "health concerns" is...bizarre. AMightierHeart (talk) 01:04, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

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Embraces rabid antisemite who actually helped Hitler exterminate Jews

[1]: See also Amin al-Husseini. --Hob Gadling (talk) 14:59, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Rape Slave, not 'concubine'

Everyone knows this is a vile biased resource, and is intended to be so. Khiziran was a rape slave, a Human enslaved for one purpose, to be the sexual plaything of literal Human monsters. Indeed, Saudi Arabia was born from the single idea of rape slaves for all Saudi males- and no Saudi at the time (up to 1962 and beyond) ever tried to hide this fact. So why does this left leaning resource try to hide this fact? Of course, the American Left is a direct descendent of the political party of Human Slavery and the KKK.

Bandar was born from rape, and supported the same obscene system just as soon as he was old enough. Today, domestic workers throughout Saudi Arabia suffer horrific treatment from Saudis who remember their recent slaver past. Those who seek to whitewash slavery, as the authors of this article do, are satanic. 86.104.22.115 (talk) 01:59, 10 December 2023 (UTC)