Talk:Banjo-Tooie/Archive 1

Archive 1

Stop 'N' Swop

I noticed that it says the unreachable areas of B-K are not shown at all, and this is not true: in the same room as Captain Blackeye, there is a picture of Sharkfood Island and a picture of the Mystery Egg that is found in it.

Banjo-Kazooie 3

"Rareware, whvagonaom Nintendo by Microsoft in 2002 to make games for Microsoft Game Studios, has since admitted it is developing another follow-up in the Banjo-Kazooie series for the Xbox 360." - Do we have a source/citation for that? Freddie42 16:09, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Now we do --Dallin Tanjo22 19:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey

This game is fairly unique for a sequel, you start with every single skill you can learn in Banjo-Kazooie Mentiont that somewhere? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Phred (talk • contribs) .

B.O.B.

Any relation the the Outkast song? Any? At all? --86.12.235.7 22:02, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Outkast had a song called "Big-O-Blaster"?? --SaturnYoshi 06:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Banjo-Kazooie on the Xbox 360

Looks like it's been officially announced... --(trogga) 17:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Safe from Banjo-Kazooie?

It says in the article the safe from Banjo-Kazooie returns and can actually be opened. WTF? Is it Superstash Deluxe? Since when was he in B-K? Matty-chan 11:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

139.168.76.175 02:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC) B.O.B - Outkast doesn't stand for Big - o - blaster; it stands for Bombs Over Baghdad. listen to the lyrics. spoken in plain english.

Date from Safe in Cloud Cuckooland

I was just playing Banjo-Tooie, and in Cloud Cuckooland you have to find the combination for a safe, which then opens and gives you a jiggy. The combinations turns out to be 1984, which "is a real Rare date," to quote the safe. I figured this was the year Rare was founded...but the Rare (company) page says it was founded in 1982. They were known as Ultimate back then, but I get the impression that the name wasn't changed until well after 1984. Any idea what significance 1984 has? Thanks! --pie4all88 05:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Original research

The text

"The bosses are each introduced with a humorous title, a parody of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time."

was deleted from the article by User:PIrish on the grounds that "the zelda one in particular sounds a lot like original research to me". I don't think this falls under original research, any more than the other articles that mention references to works in popular culture do. OK, so I can't remember anyone saying that the boss descriptions resembled those of Zelda bosses, but they do anyway. N64 Zelda bosses were always introduced with subtitles like "Parisitic armored arachnid" and "Subterranean lava dragon". Things like "Despotic dizzy totem god" and "Strange wobbly inflatable thing" are a clear parody of this. RobbieG 21:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

A parody that you came to the conclusion about. That's what original research is. It's something that you, or anyone else, came up with on their own. Anything that isn't considered original research can be cited with an outside reference from a reliable source. You simply saying that it is a parody doesn't make it so. If you find a reliable source for the information, I will not refute the edit and it can remain in the article. Until then, please do not reinsert it because, as it is, it is currently based on assumption, not fact. Thank you.

As to your other edits, I didn't think the cutscene one was particularly necessary (didn't hurt the article, but it didn't really help either; it's just another piece of trivia). However, I should not have reverted the black comedy one or the spelling fix. Sorry about that. --pIrish 22:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Do we have a reliable source for the claims made regarding Puftup or Speccy's hat? They are of a similar nature. Also, can you provide examples of other games that introduce the bosses in that manner? When I played Banjo-Tooie I thought it was an obvious Zelda reference, but that's simply because I haven't played any other games that give the bosses those kinds of titles. RobbieG 14:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, most of the cameos and cultural references section needs to be deleted. I've not particularly wanted to tackle it because I know it could cause controversy if all of a sudden I deleted ten points of random, useless trivia that someone else may not think is useless. I'm also a bit hesitant to delete some of them because it's been a while since I've played the game and I'm not sure which cameos are actually in the game or not. However, the ones you specifically brought up are ones that should be deleted, no questions about it.

The parody may be there (I won't deny it, many games have onscreen boss titles, but the descriptions aren't usually creative or even existent), but, unless Rare released something specific about it, it's all just guessing and assumption, which is considered original research. Otherwise, if we had a reliable source for it, I wouldn't really care at all. --pIrish 15:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, great work there with that section. Thank you so much. It looks great now! --pIrish 20:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm glad you like it. It may need a little more work doing, as it's still a tad list-like, at least to my mind. RobbieG 22:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, but you can't deny that it is a significant improvement from what it was before, which is at least a good, strong start in the right direction. --pIrish 01:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Bottle's Revenge?

Shouldn't proper credits be given to Ice Mario (RareWitchProject.com) for finding Bottle's Revenge? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.137.98.184 (talk) 00:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

Innuendos

I'm suprised no one made a part of this article featuring this stuff. Should I just go ahead and do it?-Lord Lonic

What do you mean by innuendos? --pIrish 01:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Are you talking about the Jolly and Maggie characters? -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 02:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, aswell as several other innuendos, such as a phallic shaped rock that appears in Pterridactyal Land and the "Suck" and "Blow" buttons on the B.O.B. Heck, there are even more. Check them out on YouTube-Lord Lonic

You missed the word "ESRA" in the Code Chamber (write it out backwards!). On the other hand, don't you think you might be reading a tad too much into the rock in Terrydactyland? RobbieG 17:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Ersa is a greek goddess —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.140.136.43 (talk) 01:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

Yes, but "Esra" is not. RobbieG 17:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. I read it wrong 69.140.136.43 19:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

This is a little grim for a kids' game, isn't it?

What with bottles dying and Grunty's exposed skeleton and severed head... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.140.136.43 (talk) 01:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

Yes, the article does note that many of the themes are quite dark. It's all in good fun, though, and very tongue-in-cheek. RobbieG 17:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

You'll notice there are a few rather unsavoury references throughout also (mainly in level 4)... I can help but wonder whether Rare was trying to see just how far they could push their luck with that sort of thing. -81.156.50.138 19:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 05:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

clear up

• Should we mention how famous B-K Rated E?
• Also I think we should clear-up some of the secret features.
• And the material im B-K rated E? I know some of it is fake but some of it has been stated by the makers of BK.
• Also I think we could possibly talk about the whole breeguls not being real subject.
• Maybe a little more character explanations with the characters.
• The level discriptions should be longer.

Need info on clear up sections look here!!! thank you!!--Anfish (talk) 00:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

wrong name

despite it being a form of a tricky optical illusion, i think the neame should be changed to what it says exactly on the logo: banjo- -tooie notice the two hyphens on the logo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.182.95.50 (talk) 15:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

That's really just an artistic choice. The singular hyphen format is used in the fine print on the box and booklet, and most importantly Banjo- -Tooie has not been used by any official material I've seen. Wikipedia pages should not invent new formats (see WP:MOSTM). just64helpin (talk) 17:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Banjo-Tooie XBLA Port Release Date Announced

I just added the official release date of the Banjo-Tooie XBLA port, announced here: [1] as April 29, 2009 (Wed). I added a reference, but I wasn't sure exactly how to do it. Did I format the citation right or make any mistakes?--69.161.78.31 (talk) 14:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the minor errors; the "publisher" and "title" fields usually refer to the document, i.e. the webpage cited. just64helpin (talk) 15:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I see, that makes more sense. Thanks.--69.161.78.31 (talk) 15:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

A Question about Developmet...

I'm not entirely sure if I should add some info regarding the development of the characters. The question is, is it noteworthy? I have a scan from the UK Official Nintendo Magazine or Nintendo Official Magazine, showing that at least three of the character names were decided by a competition. However, unfortunately, I have just noticed that the scan is actually missing the page number from the magazine, so I have no idea which issue it was. So I'm rather wary of putting this info in, because:

1. My reference is a scan of a page from a publication, but no evidence of which issue it was. 2. The information, though relevant, is rather mundane.

Wolf ODonnell (talk) 17:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Majora's Mask

I got a promotional videotape, which was for both Banjo-Tooie and Majora's Mask, so shouldn't Majora's Mask be referenced in development? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.115.44 (talk) 09:06, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I don`t think so. While the promotional tape may have also covered Majora`s Mask that coverage has very little to do with this game.--76.69.168.124 (talk) 05:34, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Uncited praise in Reception section

There are some very weighty quotes in the Reception section that I would think need citation or removal: 'Overall, Banjo-Tooie has been called "A masterpiece" and one of the "best sequels of all time".' Saying that a critic called this game a "masterpiece", or "one of the best sequels of all time" really needs citation, and I am wondering if they were just made-up by a fan (a critic calling this the best sequel ever over such other critically-acclaimed sequels as Ocarina of Time or Final Fantasy VII is just a bit perplexing to me, but it may have happened since reviews are largely subjective). 75.108.85.38 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:03, 18 May 2012 (UTC).

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Banjo-Tooie/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: AdrianGamer (talk · contribs) 15:45, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Still new in doing article review so I hope I don't miss anything or write anything useless. Also forgive me if I have made some mistakes.

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and y:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Comments

Infobox

• Xbox Live Arcade should be wiki-linked in the developer field instead of in the platform field in the infobox

• Done ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Platform name should not be in short form in the platform field of the infobox.

• Done ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Body

• Several new features were cut from the game due to time constraints and limitations of the Nintendo 64 hardware. - I don't think this sentence is necessary for the lead

• In order to summairse the article I had to mention at least a little on the development of the game, and to sum it up I used the "cut features" part in the lead. I think I'll keep this in but if you want I could re-word it to something else from development? ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• King Jiggywiggy in the Gameplay section should be wikilinked as well

• Done ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• The aggregate score from GameRankings should be limited to 2 significant figures

• Done ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• and was among a chain of successful video games released by Rare for the Nintendo 64. - I personally don't think that this statement is necessary.

• I'll re-word this to something else ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Similarly, Jes Bickham of Games Radar described Banjo-Tooie as a game that requires - It should be GamesRadar, no space

• Oops, done ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• long drawing distance - should be draw distance only, should also be wikilinked

• Done ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Liu of GameRevolution said that the graphics were "beautiful" - It should be Game Revolution. A space is needed.

• Addressed ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Reviews from IGN, Allgame and Famitsu should also be removed from the review template. They aren't used in the section

• I explained below, I think this should be OK (but I'll find some more sources if I FAC this) ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• The Xbox Live Arcade version of Banjo-Tooie received mixed to favourable reviews from video game critics - mixed to favourable is vague.

• Re-worded ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Rare was over-linked.

• Cut down ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

References

• Everything archived, no dead links, all sources reliable
• Though Source 5 is a primary source, could be better if it is replaced by a secondary source.

• I'll see if I can replace that ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Image

• The source for File:Banjo-Tooie Coverart.png isn't reliable.
• Rare Ltd. in the owner field of the non-free cover template should also be changed to simply Rare for consistency.
• The Gameplay screenshot also need some clean up.

• Do you mean the photo or the caption? I was thinking of replacing it with a slightly higher resulotion ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I mean that Non-free use rationale template of the gameplay image needs clean up because few fields are left n.a. AdrianGamer (talk) 12:49, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Overall

• Overall, it is a well-written article with very few problems. The issues I pointed out are really very minor, so I am not going to put it on hold. Article Banjo-Tooie promoted to . Congratulations. AdrianGamer (talk) 06:49, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks for the review! Even though a FAC isn't on my mind I could think about it in the future as this article is clean and compact. I will get to addressing all of the above now and should be have it all finished shortly. The entries from IGN, Allgame and Famitsu in the review box should be fine as it doesn't have to be mentioned in the prose as long as they have scores - but I hope to find some offline sources soon. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 11:53, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Rare Revealed: The Making of Banjo-Tooie

Rare has released a new behind-the-scenes featurette regarding the game's development on their official YouTube channel. Notable details include the following, with timestamps to verify each.

• 0m41s: Some of Banjo-Tooie's worlds were originally meant to appear in Banjo-Kazooie. (Separate interviews with Grant Kirkhope confirmed Mayahem Temple was one of these worlds, though I'd have to dig to find the source.)
• 1m20s: The game features roughly 150 individual characters, including playable characters, NPCs, and enemies.
• 1m56s: Multiplayer was originally planned for Banjo-Kazooie, but had to be scrapped due to time and resource constraints, and was instead held back for Banjo-Tooie.
• 2m26s: Bottles' Revenge intended for a second player to control enemies via Devil Bottles to hinder Banjo's progress. If Devil Bottles defeated Banjo, control of Banjo would shift from the first player to the second player while the first player would assume Devil Bottles' role instead.
• 3m00s: Bottles' Revenge, though cut from the final game, instead served as the direct inspiration for the "Counter Operative" mode featured in Perfect Dark.

Could someone please try to massage these details into the development section, along with any other details from the video they deem relevant? Maybe do the same for the Banjo-Kazooie and Perfect Dark articles where appropriate? -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 17:24, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Sales dispute

I'd rather not get into an edit war on the page so I'll just start the discussion here. It's claimed that Banjo-Tooie sold 3 million copies based off an interview with Rare staff, but I'm fairly certain that they were mistaken and they were thinking of the original game. Nintendo's own data shows it sold over 1 million, based on an extensive report from ResetERA:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-software-and-hardware-sales-data-from-1983-to-present.2725/

This is also contradicted on the Wikipedia page for best selling N64 games:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_64_video_games

Additionally, based on what we know about how Nintendo 64 software sold this late in the system's life cycle, it strikes me as incredibly unlikely that Tooie would match the sales of the original game, which also sold over 3 million. Even Majora's Mask couldn't muster up half of the sales of Ocarina Of Time. Please evaluate this and edit it properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.115.230 (talk) 18:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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Article in Nintendo Life

I came across some recent and surprisingly in-depth coverage of Banjo-Tooie, especially about the development of the game:

Lane, Gavin (2021-01-03). "Feature: Banjo-Tooie Turns 20 - The Rare Team Tells The Story Of Bombs, Bugs And Bottles". Nintendo Life.

Just an FYI for any interested editors or readers (or future me, if I have time). Adumbrativus (talk) 08:52, 20 February 2021 (UTC)