Talk:Bankstown Airport

Runway 18/36

In a recent edit, the sentence about runway 18/36 was modified to say that closure of the runway is still only a proposal. Actually, the runway has been closed. I've personally seen that the runway markings have been removed and a yellow taxiway line is now in their place. It's unfortunate, but 18/36 is no more!

-QFlyer 10:14, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes the runway is gone, the image for YBSK is misleading, inaccurate and promoting something that no longer exists.

Its erroneous inclusion could constitute an aviation safety issue and Wikipedia could be held liable, the image should be replaced with a current image.

Wikipedia can't be held liable for this because anyone who uses Wikipedia articles to fly their airplane instead of an official government-sanctioned reference is doing it wrong. Jorgath (talk) 17:45, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

The BAC ownership of the airport is forcing hardship on many airport tennants, I doubt the number of Aviation businesses cited - please provide a definitive citation.

Wikipedia isn't and shouldn't be used for life dependant aviation advice. If you an encylopaedia to guide you while landing a plane, something is very much wrong. MvjsTalking 19:53, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

The points I were trying to raise is there are at least two inaccuracies in this section: 1. the photo is wrong 2. the number of aviation businesses quoted is also questionable, given that some of us that use YSBK know that tennants are under duress with rising costs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smuhv (talk • contribs) 22:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Runway 18/36

Runway 18/36 was shortened and eventualy decomisioned in the late 2005 early 2006 timeframe. This shifted a load of training for operations such as croswind circuits to nearby hoxton park about 6 Miles west with a 16/34 single runway configuration. Hoxton park is due for sale in the early parts 2008. Its resident operators will likely move to Camden to the south west while some will inevitable move to Bankstown.

Bankstown also used to have a runway 05/23 which is where taxiway T(ango) now is. This can be seen in a photo i have located here. http://condellpark.com/bear/1962len_m.htm

There had been talk of re-developing a north south runway on the western side of where the old one was. This would alow larger regional aircraft to operate into the airport in less favourable wind conditions, aswell as quelling much angst reguarding the decomisioning of 18/36, which largely centered around the impending loss of practicaly all north south GA runways in the sydney basin. However some speculate that Bankstown Airport Limited have been intending to make the aerodrome suitable for more regional aircraft upto aircraft like the Boeing 737.

Many Aerial photographs of Bankstown airport over the past 7 years indicate a decline in popularity of the GA parking lot, particularly the nothwest and southwest corner of the aerodrome. In the later half of 2006 the development of a Hangar facility for TOLL logistics has been constructed around taxiways A4, X and K5. this caused for a period of time engine runnup bays on the northern side of the airfield from runway 29R to be unavailable. As a result there has been much disaproval by local flying schools and pilots.

ASA's published records of aircraft movements at bankstown show an increase from 275,846 movements in the callendar year 2005 to 323306 for the callendar year 2006. This is aparently contested on the australian AOPA website which posses that activity at bankstown in on the decrease.

Bankstown airport is considered by many pilots and citizens as one of the most influencial airfield in Australia (one of the 5 GAAP airfields). As such many pilots feel that a decline in general aviation across the whole nation not least bankstown is taking its toll. As such many Australian aviation facilities are falling into a state of disrepair due to lack of use, this in turn discourages pilots, who as a result fly less and the spiral continues.

I believe that seeing as all the current operational details of the airport can be accessed free off the internet from the airservices australia website that this page should focus more on its historical and social impact. -Dbayley 11:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

History

Should there not be a history section for this article. During WWII the airport was established as a key strategic air base to support the war effort, it became home to members of the US 35th Fighter squadron and the 41s Pursuit Group. It should be looked into and added to the article. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. 01:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup template

What is the rationale for the cleanup template being on here? I see one redlink and one redlinked reference, but that doesn't seem to be an egregious enough problem for the cleanup tag. Jorgath (talk) 17:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Airlines paragraph

I have renamed my 'Airlines and destinations' paragraph to 'Airlines'. It will have a table once Airly, a scheduled charter airline (to differentiate from the charter airlines at Bankstown Airport), commences operations soon. trainsandtech (talk) 04:23, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

There are no charter airlines at Bankstown airport. On any given day, several dozen light aircraft operated by several dozen air charter companies fly in and out of the airport. None are notable and this activity is just part of the day-to-day operations of a busy general aviation airport. YSSYguy (talk) 04:43, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but does that mean the activity does not exist? Please look at WP:EW trainsandtech (talk) 04:47, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Mere existence is not a reason for mentioning a company. Why mention them at all? Why do a couple of non-notable organisations merit the publicity inherent in being mentioned in a Wikipedia article over others? It is years since I have seen a Corporate Air aircraft at YSBK but there are dozens of other operators using the airport that do not get mentioned - who can't be mentioned because THEY ARE NOT NOTABLE and there are no third-party reliable sources. Corporate Air is not even mentioned in the Canberra Airport article, even though YSCB is one of its main operating bases. A company saying ON ITS OWN WEBSITE, "we can fly to Bankstown if you want us to" is not a reason to mention its name in an airport article. A company saying ON ITS OWN WEBSITE, "we are based at Bankstown Airport" is not a reason to mention its name in an airport article. Once again, WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A DIRECTORY. The RFDS bases one aircraft at YSBK in a transport role (not as an air ambulance), not exactly a major operation - and you need to find a third-party reliable source stating so. The ambulance service of NSW has a base there and there is also a ground ambulance station on the airport; that might be worth mentioning - again with a reliable source to back it up. The NSW Police Aviation Support Branch is also there; that might be worth mentioning - again with a reliable source to back it up. I know what edit-warring is - we are both engaged in it. I have yet to see any good reason for your edits that are unsupported by reliable third-party references - that lack of reliable third-party references alone is sufficient reason to remove mention of those companies. YSSYguy (talk) 05:20, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

First of all, I can see where you are coming from, but have to express disagreeance. Regarding third-party sources, there are others for this information, as you can see when visiting the newsletters page on Bankstown Airport's website and other websites. I simply choose to use a single reference, as I see as normal on Wikipedia. The RFDS was an operator I found initially at Bankstown Airport's website but made it reference its own website which also mentions operations at Bankstown Airport. The reason it is unnecessary to mention Corporate Air at Canberra is because it operates more flights for multiple major airlines, which includes international flights. If there is an operator which I in fact didn't find, that is a reason to add it, not to remove a subparagraph. The best solution I can think of is to actually add the Ambulance Service of NSW and note that the mentioned charter operators may fly very rarely. And also possibly a notification that the list is incomplete. Another idea is to make two headings - Charter operators, and airlines. This is what has been done on the article of Melbourne's Moorabbin Airport. trainsandtech (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2016 (UTC) UPDATE - I have divided the section into two headings - 'Airlines', and another called 'Charter operators'. Does this help? trainsandtech (talk) 21:49, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

As you are unable to come up with any reasons for including the information actually based on Wikipedia policies or guidelines, I have removed those non-notable companies again. As for Corporate Air, it is theoretically able to operate to any airport in Australia - that does not mean that it does operate to any airport in Australia. I repeat, an air charter company saying on its website "we can fly to Bankstown if you want us to" is not a reason to mention its name as a company operating at the airport. YSSYguy (talk) 23:51, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

I have to agree here that scheduled airlines that serve the airport should be listed, but charter operators who may occasionally visit it are not notable and should not be mentioned. In general charter operators can fly to any suitable airport and we aren't going to list them on each one. - Ahunt (talk) 00:33, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

An airline capable of serving a destination is by far not enough condition for inclusion at all the airports it could possibly serve.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 01:41, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Only regular or charter airlines offering regular scheduled flights are worthy of mention. Companies offering ad-hoc charters are almost always non-notable and not mentionable. Mjroots (talk) 09:02, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

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Australian Aviation Museum

It is stated in this article that the Australian Aviation Museum closed at Bankstown in 2016 and "will reopen" at Camden Airport in 2017 which is now past. The museum article itself does not appear to make a mention of such a move and also the Camden article makes no mention of this. There is a reference to such a planned move in 2015. But I cant find anything else. In the museum article itself there is a reference and external link both to [1] but I cant get either to work.Fleet Lists (talk) 08:11, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

This forum thread suggests that the move may have fallen through and the museum closed. The broken link you mentioned used to redirect to this site which, until it expired at the end of last year, was still talking about a 2017 move to Camden; it now seems to be a spam blog. The Drover's Wife (talk) 09:25, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

References

History needs expansion

"This section needs expansion."

Looking at the history, that's pretty clear to see. But when I added something recently (one of the only two cases of suicide by pilot in Australia!), it was deleted instantly, the reason being "not really notable to the history of the airport". Great way to prevent any expansion. --Enyavar (talk) 16:03, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

I removed it because it was so sparse as to give no context, it added nothing to the history of the airport. The ref cited was of little help, too, as it was very sparse, no information, no context. If this incident is so unique then surely it will have been written up in a level of detail that would show why this incident was notable to this airport. - Ahunt (talk) 17:04, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

I would have removed it on exactly the same basis if I'd seen it first. The Drover's Wife (talk) 22:02, 24 February 2019 (UTC)