Talk:Barbad

Article title

@HistoryofIran: I've been working on the article for a few days now, and from what I can tell, the more common spelling includes the diacritic marking—per the policy you linked "The use of modified letters (such as accents or other diacritics) in article titles is neither encouraged nor discouraged". Happy to discuss further, of course. Aza24 (talk) 22:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi. First off, great work on the article. More or less all of Persian (and Arabic) articles in Wikipedia don't use macrons, thus imo it looks a bit weird if this one suddenly does, and it doesn't help the common reader either. But if you still insist, I won't oppose. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah many thanks for your insight HistoryofIran. Indeed sometimes the de facto norms are best—I'll keep it as is for now. Since I have you here, I was wondering if you could assist with something. In the Encyclopaedia Iranica article, there is "Ps. Jāḥeẓ, al-Maḥāsen wa’l-ażdād, ed. G. van Vloten, Leiden, 1894-1932."—but I'm not sure who the Ps. Jāḥeẓ is reffering to. I assume some ancient/post-classical scholar; any ideas? Aza24 (talk) 21:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Aza24 Al-Jahiz comes to mind. He is the only al-Jahiz that I have heard of in sources. Btw, Iranica spells more or less every name how its pronounced in Persian, as in the case with 'Jahez'. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:06, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm that seems like a likely answer... aiming for GA with this one; there really are some interesting stories about him! Aza24 (talk) 22:28, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Lang-Fa

As far as I'm aware, the Persian spelling of Barbad is "باربد" (spelling as Barbod). Amir Ghandi (talk) 11:32, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, when I rewrote the article I didn't change what was already there. The Persian wiki has the same spelling (باربد), so I'm inclined to agree with your spelling. Aza24 (talk) 03:17, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Barbad/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Al Ameer (talk · contribs) 20:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Will be reviewing. Al Ameer (talk) 20:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Lead

• No issues.

Name

• Link 'Sasanian' here, either to Sasanian Iran or Sasanian Empire. If the latter, then remove the later link in the 'Context and sources' section.

  Did the latter

Context and sources:

• 'Empire' is found capitalized and lowercased; should be consistent.
• For context, mention the occupation and general time period of Ferdowsi, the occupation of al-Tha'alibi and the occupation and time period of Nezam.
• No need for "extremely".

  All done

Early life

• 'Ancient' should be lower-cased.
• 'Khorasan Province' should be either "Khorasan" or the 'modern province of Khorasan'.
• Same for 'Pars', i.e. it should either be 'Pars' or the 'modern province of Fars'
• Remove 'indeed' and start a new sentence beginning with "The modern historian Mehrdad...".
• Since you will be introducing Ferdowsi and al-Tha'alibi as poets in the "Context" section, no need to mention their occupations and that al-Tha'alibi was a contemporary of Ferdowsi in this or later sections.
• Instead of using '—', revise as "but the jealous chief ..."
• Remove 'himself' from "hid himself".
• Should be a full stop after "in all green".

  All done!

• I would revise the next sentence to "When Khosrow walked by, either during a banquet,[3] or his evening walk.[21] Barbad reportedly sang three songs with his lute: Dād-āfrīd ('created by god'), Peykār-e gord ('battle of the hero' or 'splendor of Farkar') and Sabz dar sabz ('green in the green').[3]"

  Much better, changed to basically your suggestion

Rest to come. Al Ameer (talk) 19:06, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Stories with Khosrow

• "on this prestige" → "about this prestige"
• Introduce Ibn al-Faqih, i.e. the "10th-century geographer" or the like.
• Link Shirin at first mention, then remove the existing link.
• Introduce Abu al-Faraj.
• "royal rules forbid forbade the tuning of instruments ..." and remove "regardless"
• "legends with Barbad, involves" → "legends about Barbad involves"
• "This story is relayed earliest" → "was relayed earliest"
• Introduce Zakariya al-Qazwini, i.e. "the 13th-century poet" or the like.
• "stories are recorded from" → "stories were recorded in" or → "stories originated in ..."

  All done

Death

• Introduce Ibn Khordabeh, Ibn Qutaybah, Ibn Abd Rabbihi.

  Done

Music

• Introduce and link Farhat at first mention, i.e. in the first passage of the 'Music' section, then remove the intro/link at later mentions.
• Remove second link to Ibn al-Faqih
• Link and introduce Yaqut al-Hamawi.
• Remove Ibn Khordabeh's year of death, since this should be mentioned when Ibn Khordabeh is introduced in the preceding 'Death' section.
• Introduce Hamdallah Mustawfi.
• "does not survive" → "has not survived" or "is not available" or "or is no longer extant".
• "exist centuries after his death" → "date centuries after his death".
• 12th-century" → "12th century"
• Maybe briefly describe divan as a collection of poetry.
• "Sassanian" → "Sasanian" for consistency.

  All done

Reputation

• Revise as: "Barbad's lute was the four-stringed barbat.[34][35] It had been popular in Barbad's time, but no traces of the instrument survive and it was eventually substituted for the Oud."
• Introduce al-Sharif al-Jurjani.
• "far after" → "long after"
• "pass of" → "pass off" (typo I assume).

  All done

Bibliography

• Two sources, Lawregen, Bo (2009) and Taffazoli, A (1988b) do not appear to be cited in the article. Maybe move them to "Further reading".

  Decided to remove entirely as they don't really have any extra information

That wraps up the prose and MoS review. In addition to the above, you should consider significantly reducing the use of semicolons. I did not notice any contradictions, but I unfortunately lack expertise in Iranian history. Will continue on to the sourcing review. Al Ameer (talk) 17:36, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks Al Ameer son! I've addressed all of your comments thus far and removed a few semi colons along the way. Aza24 (talk) 22:58, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

@Aza24: This article was a joy to read, comprehensive, focused and impeccably sourced. I have not detected any further issues and hope you work toward Featured status. Al Ameer (talk) 05:13, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Your comments were most thorough and resulted in many improvements on matters I overlooked! Best – Aza24 (talk) 05:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail: Al Ameer (talk) 17:36, 29 December 2021 (UTC)