Talk:Bard (Soviet Union)

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The follwong phrase was removed from the article:

Some of them romanticized the Bolshevik Commissars and the times of the Great Dream, when the world was painted into two colors: white and red, and when it was clear who is friend and who is enemy.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I humbly ask you not to put your political preferences into this article. Stating something like "it was clear who was the enemy in the times of the Great Dream", meaning the times of Russian Civil War, means only that it was, probably, clear to the author's ancestors. The times that, for some, were "Great Dream", for others were the times of destruction, violence, humiliation. We are not going to continue civil war on these pages, are we? So, please, I beg, no statements like this one.

Thanks, Vlad Patryshev vpatryshev@yahoo.com

• The phrase is easily correatable by a single word:

Some of them romanticized the Bolshevik Commissars and the times of the Great Communist Dream, when the world was painted into two colors: white and red, and when it was clear who is friend and who is enemy.

And there is no political preference: it was indeed a dream of millions, unfortunately turned into a nightmare. Besides, we are talking about political preferences of the authors of the songs, not about those of wikipedia authors. Mikkalai 03:19, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

After thought, the phrase removed altogether from the section "Political song".

Some bards, like Vladimir Vysotsky, Yuri Vizbor, Sergey Nikitin, Bulat Okudzhava, Alexander Rosenbaum wrote songs about the Great Patriotic War and the Civil War, romanticizing the Bolshevik Commissars.

What's so political in songs about WWII sufferings? And "romanticizing the commissars" is a skewed presentation of the Civil War theme. Mikkalai

Mikkalai: why precisely did you revert my edit? The first part is deinitely bad English, the current version implies there were only two bards. The second I am not happy with myself, but I think the senetence needs to be rewritten, as it's not quite grammatical. Ornil 17:36, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, I intended to revert only your second edit: the word "were" was already present in the sentence, which is, you are right needs a rewrite anyway. Mikkalai 20:50, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Um...Why didn't anyone mention Victor Berkovsky in the section about war songs? I'm certain he has a few...Shrewdcat 23:33:16, 2005-08-15 (UTC)

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Since the 1930s, new outlaw songs had emerged from the Gulags. Many of these songs were concerned with innocent people who were sent to the labour camps, rather than with criminals. It should be noted that some songs were actually composed in the camps, while others were inspired by them, but the result was the same - honest songs about victims under harsh conditions.

Come on! I just removed the sentence: but the result was the same - honest songs about victims under harsh conditions. because it's just a judgement of value. I know nothing about bard songs, or even the gulags, but this is not a sentence for wikipedia.

Hanoc (talk) 14:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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