Talk:Barking, London

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Schools

A lot of the schools listed here aren't exactly in Barking, All Saints RC school for one. I suggest that this list gets moved the the 'London Bourgh of Barking and Dagenham page'.

Maybe list the ones that are specifically in Barking here, and the ones in Dagenham on the Dagenham article, and also list all of them in the page you suggest? - «ßØÛ®ßÖѧ3» ^{T | C} 21:14, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

The problem with splitting things into separate 'Barking' and 'Dagenham' sections or articles is that the areas are not very well defined. The postal boundary between the two is somewhat further east than the now obsolete administrative boundary that separated the two boroughs until 1964 - which boundary also separated the Barking and Dagenham parliamentary constituencies until more recently. (The current Dagenham and Rainham constituency only includes the easternmost wards of B&D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.34.78 (talk) 10:37, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Disambig

Should disambiguate dog language and seal language; the former particularly deserves an article. --Daniel C. Boyer 20:15, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Restoration

I have restored the fishing section to how it was before all the vandalism, as someone, for some stupid reason, deleted the whole fishing section instead of just the vandalism The current sections should remain pretty much as they are.

Bourbons3 15:30, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

This text is still a bit dodgy:

but ben who is a golf legend he has substained and made his own golf course called adam loves lee he is now a millionair in barking but independent at least from the Tudor period.

MRSC 15:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Ill edit the grammer and spelling, and look into the subject to see if it has any truth in it

Bourbons3 17:33, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Ext Links

I have noticed that a link to "barking on the web" is being continually added and removed. Do those concerned want to discuss it inclusion/non-inclusion here instead? Best Darigan (talk) 10:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Counties

This doesn't only apply to Barking, but what is Wikipedia's convention on giving counties for UK place names? In the case of Barking, the Essex (seen in some articles) is useful for distinguishing it from Barking nr Ipswich, but Barking hasn't been part of Essex for Local Government purposes since 1965.

Also, as Barking was in Essex until 1964, when referring to events there before 1965, should articles stick to Essex (accurate at the time) or use some other place name (Greater London, say)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.53.2 (talk) 17:15, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

As I understand it the convention is to use the current county, except when referring the history of a place. So for example you might refer to Barking being in Essex in 1964, but anything current should refer to it being in Greater London. Pterre (talk) 18:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I know that is the current convention, but it is not a very helpful one. Most of the people who live in the outlying boroughs of Greater London - the ones that were 'grabbed' when the GLC was set up, like Romford (Essex), Bromley (Kent), and Richmond (Surrey) - continue to use the old county names, and will probably do so for another hundred years. I live in the London Borough of Croydon, which has been a London borough for much longer than Barking or Romford, but many people still refer to it in their postal address as 'Croydon, Surrey'. I think to avoid confusion articles like this should at least make it clear that the old names are still in common use. Otherwise people will come here after Googling 'Barking Essex' and then wonder if they have got the right Barking.109.158.132.88 (talk) 16:21, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Croydon has been a London borough for the same length of time as every other London Borough, i.e since 1965. And for that matter the same length of time as places such as Wood Green, Tottenham, etc. Pterre (talk) 21:09, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Greater London is not a county, and it is at least very doubtful that Essex has the same boundaries now as it has since "ever", even if the Essex County Council's area is diffferent.

Greater London is a ceremonial county, but not an administrative county, nor an historic or traditional county. Neither was it a postal county; many people use that as determinant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.34.78 (talk) 17:49, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Deprivation - country

In the section about deprivation, there is a mention of [nth] "most deprived in the country". This is ambiguous here. The country could be England, [Great] Britain or the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.34.78 (talk) 17:52, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

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South of the River Thames

The opening section says "its economic history is characterised by a shift from fishing and farming to market gardening and industrial development south of the River Thames." What has south of the River Thames got to do with Barking? Did the writer mean south of the A13 / on the north bank of the Thames? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.34.78 (talk) 10:28, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

"Barking mad"

Although the cited source states that the first appearance of the phrase is from the 20th century in the US, I have found some 19th-century appearances of the phrase on Google books:

• https://books.google.com/books?id=XzpcAAAAcAAJ&dq=%22barking%20mad%22&pg=PA147#v=onepage&q=%22barking%20mad%22&f=false
• https://books.google.com/books?id=Te4BAAAAQAAJ&dq=%22barking%20mad%22&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=%22barking%20mad%22&f=false
• https://books.google.com/books?id=L08CAAAAQAAJ&dq=%22barking%20mad%22&pg=PA128#v=onepage&q=%22barking%20mad%22&f=false

All are attributed to William Knox Wigram (or his pseudonym Hookanit Bee). (There is a bit about him in the article on his father, Octavius Wigram.)

Of course this still doesn't connect the phrase to the town.—Theodore Kloba (☎) 14:40, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Regardless of any historical connection of the phrase with the town, I wonder if there are reliable sources about any current connection of the town with the phrase? Jackaroodave (talk) 13:50, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

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Population

The population quoted at the beginning of the article is the total of Abbey, Eastbury, Gascoigne, Longbridge, and Thames wards as per the 2011 census. I can see when in edit mode a claim that these wards make up Barking, but I can't determine what the source of this claim is. In fact the same article gives a different definition of Barking - Abbey, Eastbury, Gascoigne and Longbridge wards.

I have made the text less ambiguous: Barking, without context/qualification, could mean the parliamentary constituency, which from 2010 comprised all the LBB&D wards except the easternmost ones, or it could mean the post town. To say anything about barking with any accuracy requires disambiguation of the term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.135.239 (talk) 18:30, 19 February 2021 (UTC)