Talk:Barnstorming

Plane pictured

The plane pictured wasn't used for barnstorming...is there a better shot of a biplane, perhaps a Jenny? Schnauf 20:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, actually. I grabbed one from Curtiss JN4. Deco 03:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Plagiarism?

Um, it looks like this article was not just based, but copied word for word from the article linked at the bottome of the page under "references" 71.162.90.217 00:02, 21 January 2007 (UTC) Anon

You're right. I have tagged the article appropriately.--Diniz 14:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

But it looks like that site is in the PD since it is a US government site. See the disclaimer on the site. Garion96 (talk) 23:45, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying!--Diniz 17:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Daredevils

Over the past few years I keep finding references calling racecar drivers and other daredevils "barnstormers", for example [1]. This comment would be especially relevant to the Barney Oldfield article. My impression of the term would be some daredevil who toured the country, not necessarily a pilot. Should the scope of this article be expanded to include all daredevils from that era? Then pilots would be the main portion of the article, with a section for racers. Royalbroil 02:02, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the word goes back before Aviation. It was used by circuses and other traveling shows in the 1800s. Perhaps a brief section on other forms of Barnstorming (pre and post Aviation) should be added to the article. Blueboar (talk) 00:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Substantial re-write

I've substantially re-written the article. It used to read like an essay entry, and appeared to be based almost solely on the Onkst essay, right down to the list of sources that exactly mirrored Onkst (minus the substantial spam and personal web pages). It was also very POV-ish, promoting the idea or era as something great, fantastic and wonderful. It may have been, but it's not the appropriate tone. WLU (talk) 18:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Contemporary barnstorming Section

".....from a handful of airports around the country." Which country?!?! 86.7.208.248 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC).

More Photos Needed

Could someone add some more photographs to this page? It would make it so much better. --Victoria h (talk) 20:47, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Rationale for merger of Barnstorm (sports) into Barnstorming:

• Overlap: Both of these pages are on related subjects that have a conceptual overlap. The dab page (Barnstorming (disambiguation)) lists video games, a band, an album and some naming similarities, but the two pages in this merge request are of the identical concept.
• Text: If a page is very short and is unlikely to be expanded within a reasonable amount of time, it often makes sense to merge it with a page on a broader topic. Both articles are not long at all.
• Context: If a short article requires the background material or context from a broader article in order for readers to understand it. Both articles benefit from the background and expansion of the concept.
• The resulting merge will not produce one combined article that is too long or "clunky".
• The topics are not discrete subjects and do not deserve their own articles because they are conceptually identical.

If, after a couple of weeks, there are no objections, I will (eventually) complete the merger. Rgrds. --64.85.220.22 (talk) 03:44, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree, the more natural name is here. - 124.170.2.136 (talk) 01:40, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

tag removal

{{Redirect4|Flying circus|Barnstorming}} {{Merge from|Barnstorm (sports)|discuss=Talk:Barnstorming#Merger proposal|date=March 2012}} {{Refimprove|date=November 2007}}{{No footnotes|article|date=September 2008}}

None really being actioned, no ongoing discussion on talk. - 124.170.2.136 (talk) 01:40, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

uh, {{Redirect4|Flying circus|Barnstorming}} doesn’t need any “actioning;” it’s a navigational tool. —Wiki Wikardo 22:05, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

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Etymology - meaning?

Nowhere in the article is the meaning and etymology of „barnstorming“ explained - a small paragraph under stunts mentions flying through barns. If this is the origin of the term, it should be me tionend in the lead or the first few paragraphs. 2001:871:229:E88F:34E8:B2F9:43B:32F3 (talk) 14:06, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

barnstorm (v.)

1815, a theater term, in reference to performances (usually featuring short action pieces to suit vulgar tastes) in upstate New York barns; see barn + storm (v.). The notion is to 'take by storm' the barns that served as theaters in rural places where itinerant acting troupes typically performed. The term was extended by 1896 to electioneering tours, and by 1928 to itinerant pilots who performed air stunts at fairs and races. Related: Barnstormed; barnstorming; barnstormer.

also from 1815

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barn (n.)

"covered building for the storage of farm produce," Middle English bern, bærn, from Old English bereærn "barn," literally "barley house," from bere "barley" (see barley) + aern "house; place for storing," metathesized from *rann, *rasn (source also of Old Norse rann "large house," Gothic razn "house," Old English rest "resting place").

For the formation and the second element, compare saltern "a salt-works," from Old English sealtærn "saltworks;" Old English horsern "stable." Latin cellarium was glossed by Old English hordern, and dormitorium was slæpern.

In Anglo-Saxon England, barley was a primary grain crop:

Barley was not always the only crop grown as the data recovered at Bishopstone might suggest but it is always the most commonly represented, followed by wheat and then rye and oats. [C.J. Arnold, "An Archaeology of the Early Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms," 1988, p.36]

Another word for "barn" in Old English was beretun, "barley enclosure" (with tun "enclosure, house"), which accounts for the many Barton place names on the English map and the common surname.

It was applied from early 18c. to any large, barn-like building. Barn door has been used figuratively for "broad target" since 1670s and "great size" since 1540s. Barn-owl is attested by 1670s. Barn-raising "a collective effort by neighbors or community members to erect the frame of a barn for one of them, accompanied by a social gathering" is attested by 1849.

storm (v.)

of the wind, "to rage, be violent, blow with great force," c. 1400, stormen, from storm (n.) or else from Old English had styrman, which is cognate with Dutch stormen, Old High German sturman, German stürmen, Danish storme.

The military sense of "attack and attempt to take (a place) by scaling walls and forcing gates" is by 1640s. The sense of "move with violence, rush angrily" is by 1837, said to be from the military sense. Related: Stormed; storming. Italian stormire "make a noise" is from Germanic.

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