Talk:Baron Byron

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:36, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Have now "closed up the gap with our English (and Australian) dead"

• John Byron, 1st Baron Byron (1599–1652) —[pre-existing]
• Richard Byron, 2nd Baron Byron (1606–1679) —NEW
• William Byron, 3rd Baron Byron (1636–1695) —NEW
• William Byron, 4th Baron Byron (1669–1736) —NEW
• William Byron, 5th Baron Byron (1722–1798) —[pre-existing]
• George Gordon Byron, 6th Baron Byron (1788–1824) —[pre-existing]
• George Anson Byron, 7th Baron Byron (1789–1868) —[pre-existing]
• George Anson Byron, 8th Baron Byron (1818–1870) —NEW
• George Frederick William Byron, 9th Baron Byron (1855–1917) —NEW
• Frederick Ernest Charles Byron, 10th Baron Byron (1861–1949) —NEW
• Rupert Frederick George Byron, 11th Baron Byron (1903–1983) —former stub
• Richard Geoffrey Gordon Byron, 12th Baron Byron (1899–1989) —NEW
• Robert James Byron, 13th Baron Byron (b. 1950) —[pre-existing]

Of the Barons Byron listed, most articles did not exist a couple of days ago, and one that did was a stub... so I've filled in the gaps, and tried to get everything at least past "stub" (to "start") class, expanding or enhancing or tidying up some of the rest along the way, for instance creating disambiguation pages for common names in the family, like "George Byron" and "John Byron". More eyes are always welcome. Please check my work, spot errors, find areas for improvement, etc. These are still woefully short articles. Can we find more details? Illustrations? Other features? — Sizzle Flambé (☎/✍) 03:34, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

(of the poet) "... commonly known as Lord Byron"

The problem with adding "commonly known as Lord Byron" next to just one of the Barons Byron is that each of them was commonly known (and addressed) by that honorific during their incumbency as Baron, between succeeding to the title and dying themselves, as is the present Baron Byron today. The poet's cousin and successor commanded a Royal Navy ship to Hawaii; there is a book about it titled With Lord Byron at the Sandwich Islands in 1825, ISBN 9780554605265; read more about the voyage at HMS Blonde (1819)#Voyage to Hawaii. The poet's great-uncle and predecessor, the "Wicked Lord" or "Devil Byron", is referred to as "Lord Byron" throughout his own article. I think it would be a capital mistake, inducing confusion, to encourage people to lean upon a shared term ("Lord Byron") rather than his distinctive individual name ("George Gordon Byron"), to identify the poet. — Sizzle Flambé (☎/✍) 05:02, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the Lord Byron, that is the poet, is an exceptional case. However, if having it there in the list of Barons Byron weakens the article or weakens the encyclopedia then remove it. I would like to see the hat-note stay though. Hatnotes of this type are to send people who land on the wrong page on their way quickly and efficiently. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 05:06, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

re: changes: not what I would prefer but you know this article and subject matter better than I do. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 05:21, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the idea of hatnote and additional note by listing entry, each saying in effect "the poet's over HERE!", was excellent, I'm very grateful to you for adding both, and glad to keep both. It's just the idea of referring to only one man as "Lord Byron" in an article full of Lords Byron that I can't fathom. Especially since a series of other men have held the title since 1824, and one holds it today (the best claim of all). It's like saying the term "Mister President" should redirect to Abraham Lincoln because he's the President you think of first, never mind all the other Presidents there have been, or the one there is now. — Sizzle Flambé (☎/✍) 05:43, 28 November 2009 (UTC)