Talk:Barry Kerzin

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I wrote this article about Barry Kerzin as a former colleague of mine who is working in a very beneficial field of interest to many people around the world working for the progress of humanity, this is evident from his activities. I have known Kerzin as a colleague from his work as personal physician to the Dalai Lama for whom I have acted as driver on his frequent visits to and around the UK, from 1982 to 1994. MacPraughan (talk) 14:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Since my article reviewer Onel5969 wrote that to improve the article as a BLP it would be advisable to add to the story of the subject's professional life more details on his early and personal life, in order to complete or fill out the picture of the person. I therefore contacted the subject to obtain more details and added them. However, some of these details related and added are fairly minor, dating from the 1960s or earlier, and therefore they are not independently verifiable with external citations. Nevertheless, on balance, since they fit with the rest of the picture I have included them in good faith without attaching any independent citations, using phrases like "he recounts", "he recalls" and "he remembers". Despite this, somebody has since added "citation needed" tags to several items thus recounted. How to deal with that? MacPraughan (talk) 13:54, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

please don't do that. everything in WP needs to be sourced, per WP:VERIFY. This is especially important for the biography of a living person - please read WP:BLP. Jytdog (talk) 22:09, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

sourcing

The former source 1 is this which appears to be a WP:SPS - a commenter profile on a talk board. I have removed this source. Jytdog (talk) 15:08, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Jytdog. I have a question: if former source 1, Harvard University's Global Health Delivery Project's profile on the subject is considered a WP:SPS and an unacceptable source for various personal details, then how come the subject's own video on his own foundation's website is a usable, independent source for these other personal details have been sourced there and cited as per refs #2, 4, 7, 9, 10 ? Just asking! MacPraughan (talk) 14:34, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

There are canned bios of Kerzin on many different websites; they are all clearly recycled from the key ones at his two non-profits and I mininized the use of derivative sources like those. The Spann (or whatever that conference was) bio was the same. The video had information I couldn't find anywhere else and that I thought was important to include to tell a story that made sense. You will notice that the single most cited source is the best one - the Ventura County Star which is truly independent from him. I wish there had been more like that but there weren't. And I will also say that if that source didn't exist, I probably would have nominated this article for deletion.Jytdog (talk) 17:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

cleaned this up. Jytdog (talk) 22:00, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Appreciated, Jytdog. How to get it upgraded from C-class now? MacPraughan (talk) 14:34, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't know, since I don't care about that. I guess you could go to the talk page of Wikiproject Biography - click on the link in their box above, and ask someone there if they will re-assess the article now. I am removing the alt-med box by the way; it is not relevant to this article in my view. I wonder if there is a WikiProject Buddhism? will check. Jytdog (talk) 17:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, not important, I found a procedure for good article nomination.

In checking your individual edits, Jytdog, you objected to mention of Kerzin as Keynote Speaker saying "no evidence he gave anything like a keynote. ugh." However, the link I had provided listed him as Keynote: , but not at Skoll - by the time you got there the sentence had unfortunately been completely mangled - my fault, I think. This source (CV under 'view more') also refers to several other facts you deleted as 'uncited' such as 3-year retreats, providing medical care to the poor, his fellowship of the AAFP. It was meant to read "Kerzin was keynote speaker to the 10th Annual Grief and Bereavement Conference held at the University of Hong Kong. So maybe I will reconstitute a little of what you deleted as a result, my fault for the accidental deletion. MacPraughan (talk) 18:34, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

References

i see - so maybe i mangled it. my bad then. you had a whole bunch of speaking engagements that I removed - that is all WP:RECENTISM - we don't need to list all the talks he has given in an encyclopedia article. if he has a fan page that wants to track him that kind of info would be good there. Jytdog (talk) 20:16, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

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