Talk:Basal angiosperms

monocots basal?

To answer the question from the edit summary here ("WTF? Who are these botanists that think monocots are basal?!"), I suspect it is a reference to a paper by Goremykin which has been refuted by every other paper I've seen on the subject (for example Amborella not a "basal angiosperm"? Not so fast). I don't really think we need to mention this, per WP:UNDUE, but if you run into something about basal monocots, this could well be the source.

If I may digress onto other well-established or not well-established matters:

Whether the first group to diverge was Amborella or an Amborella-Nymphaeales clade, is still an open question, as far as I know.

I'm assuming the 5-way polytomy (or near-polytomy, in the sense of a divergence within 5 million years) of the Mesangiospermae is well-established, but if people have evidence to the contrary, speak up. Kingdon (talk) 22:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I made this page originally - I got monocots as possibly "basal" from the reference given in the article. Quote: "The basal angiosperms represent a grade that includes the following groups: Amborellaceae (discussed above), Nymphaeaceae (sensu APG II, 2003), Austrobaileyales, Ceratophyllaceae, Chloranthaceae, magnoliids, and monocots (although not all investigators choose to consider monocots basal angiosperms)" Evercat (talk) 11:17, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

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