Talk:Basic needs/Archive 1

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Fraser

Fraser institute is very right winged there should be information from Statistics Canada --Tsp greenday (talk) 01:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Apparently, the government of Canada refuses to calculate a basic needs level itself, so the Fraser Institute's work is all that exists for this country. If you have a published source that indicates otherwise, then please feel free to add information to the article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

What are the basic needs of a business, company, corp or incorp or government, or state, or banks

Note: Government, state, nations, etc., are entities categorically different from business, company, corp/incorp, banks, etc.

Take away these artificial entities/institutions and one collection of real entities remains... --Janosabel (talk) 14:2

• People

Someone keeps getting this backwards, which would account for debt created by those above and those that took their money and expatriated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.177.242.131 (talk) 14:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

please clarify this. Janosabel (talk) 18:58, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

• Demand. This gives the reason for a business to exist. No customers, no business! This is important: All value is created by demand (i.e. customers) for a supply of things that tend to be scarce.
• Profit (with the important proviso that it is not a purpose of a business---we need to breathe but that is not the purpose of being).

Furthermore, if we provide useful goods and services we need to make a profit/surplus---unless an unconditional basic income is in place---else we can not continue. But to do something just in order to "earn a living" seems to me a slippery slope towards profiting from the needs of people. And here figures somewhere the the logical necessity to distinguish between "needs" and "wants" (which distinction, by the way, conventional economics refuses to make). Janosabel (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

This

This is my first wiki edit.

From the article: "Poverty, in general, results from spending more than one's income".

This has no citations and does not ring true. --CallMeWilliam 13:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Redirect(R from related word)? Maslow's hierarchy of needs covers the subject thoroughly.-----Adimovk5 01:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Article says: ... "rather it focuses on allowing the society to consume just enough to rise above the poverty line and meet its basic needs. These programs focus more on subsistence than fairness." What is meant by fairness? Without explanation, seems like red herring. 24.5.198.239 (talk) 04:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC) dat mi a seh how u mean ugly man — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.230.62.110 (talk) 04:56, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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Is poverty decreasing?

We could use some more eyes on this: Talk:List_of_common_misconceptions#poverty. Also, there is the question of whether the proposed misconception should be added to this or another article on poverty. --David Tornheim (talk) 02:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

The philosophical dimension

For the sake of methodological effectiveness "basic needs", as the objective, has to be considered as separate from the discussion of how it can be satisfied; that is, the means of satisfying a need is different from the need itself. See Daly and Cobb For The Common Good (1990)"

For example, satisfaction of basic needs tends to be equated with development, employment and job creation issues.

This leaves unchallenged the underlying assumption that some policy of "full employment" is the way to satisfy the need. It also covers up the fact that the actual need is for a living income, employment being only one of the means, and a decreasingly viable one, that may satisfy it. Janosabel (talk) 03:41, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Five years later I am as passionate about basic income as ever.

The philosophical, Legal, economic, ethical and moral justification for basic income boils down to unconstitutionality. Right to life is meaningless without the right to the means needed to support life. So the means, i.e. a living income must be unconditional, not tied to employment or other forms of 'reciprocity'. Reciprocity itself has to rest with the person, not with something externally given.

As to the confused debate,"how to pay for it?", it is our rightful, monetised share of the richest estate in the universe -- that is, we are owed it. See Thomas Payne in Agrarian Justice.

Please can someone put this into a 'neutral' format and work it into the article.

--Janosabel (talk) 13:29, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Basic Needs and WEP ILO

I would like to add something along the lines of: The World Employment Conference (1976) of the International Labour Office put "basic needs" on the development agenda. The conclusion of the conference stated: "Strategies and national development plans and policies should include explicitly as a priority objective the promotion of employment and the satisfaction of the basic needs of each country’s population…Often these measures will require a transformation of social structures including an initial redistribution of assets." And the conference also called for a policies that would put an "emphasis on the participation of the people, through organizations of their own choice in making the decisions which affect them… In view of the highly hierarchical social and economic structures of agrarian societies in some developing countries, measures of redistributive justice are likely to be thwarted unless backed by organizations of rural workers." Two elements were identified as being central to the Basic Needs approach:

1. they include certain minimum requirements of a family for private consumption: adequate food, shelter and clothing, as well as certain household equipment and furniture.
2. they include essential services provided by and for the community at large, such as safe drinking water, sanitation, public transport and health, education and cultural facilities

Source: Making Basic Needs Operational in Development Planning by Rene Wadlow and World Employment Conference Meeting Basic Needs: Strategies for Eradicating Mass Poverty and Unemployment( Geneva: ILO, 1977). For a useful collection of the working papers prepared for the Conference see Employment, Growth and Basic Needs: A One-World Problem (New York: Praeger Publishers, 1977). But I am not sure where to fit it in yet (Msrasnw (talk) 20:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC))

I'm not sure where to fit it in, either. I'm not sure that the redistributive justice part fits at all, but I think that the two elements are important. I also think that their explicit division of the "responsibility," with some things being in the private domain and some in the public, is an important concept to include (because it's different from what's already on the page). WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Why not cut across these obfuscations and use official income-poverty levels, like X% of average income?

Janosabel (talk) 13:51, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

--Janosabel (talk) 13:51, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Basic needs

Basic needs are things that we cannot live without and they are important for our survival Salome Tshabalala (talk) 19:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

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