Talk:Basketball at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament

Group A

It appears to me that USA has clinched the No. 1 spot in Group A and can be placed on the bracket, no? They're a game ahead of SRB and AUS and have beaten them both head-to-head. MrArticleOne (talk) 13:10, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

USA play with France in the last match, if France win also win the 1st spot--152.170.24.22 (talk) 20:11, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Ah, for some reason, I had it in my head that France was Serbia and Serbia was France. MrArticleOne (talk) 13:13, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Group B

Why is Argentina ahead of Lithuania in Group B? They are tied to 7 points, and Lithuania defeated Argentina in their head to head. Ripero (talk) 13:07, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

IP user changed it for some reason, I reverted it and replaced it with the proper rankings. - SantiLak (talk) 21:57, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

It's been clearly well established in Wikipedia that head to head records is the 1st tiebreaker, just that FIBA have been shitty at doing this in their group stage tables while the tournament is ongoing. They do make it right in the end though, so I'll rather wait fot that.

So yes, the current "proper" version, sourced aa it is, is wrong –HTD 04:24, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Stats

Can someone segregate stats collected from games that went into overtime against those which ended in regulation? OT games are longer, so players and teams have more opportunities to "pad" their stats. –HTD 09:38, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

tie-breaker

please read here, specifically page 72 section D.1.3and4 "If at any level of these criteria one or more team(s) can be classified, the procedure of D.1.3 shall be repeated from the beginning for all the remaining teams not classified yet" explains why Spain is 2nd regardless of the outcome of the final game of their group.18abruce (talk) 00:45, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

No, if Croatia beat Lithuania (and they are leading right now!), all four qualifiers in Group B will have 3:2 win-loss records, and Spain would finish first due to their massive point differential advantage. BTW Argentina will finish third regardless of the result between Croatia and Lithuania. 120.16.190.173 (talk) 02:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Read the rules, specifically what I quoted above...once the first tie is broken (two teams at 2 and 1, and two teams at 1 and 2) then whoever won between the teams now tied finishes ahead. Read the rules, there are examples that show what I am talking about. In fact example five is exactly what is happening in this group, I could post the picture if that helps.18abruce (talk) 02:46, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

WoW, what a strange rule! I've never seen this kind of rules before in any sports. I have to say this rule is quite unfair, we shouldn't compare head-to-head results more than once, as it would be unfair to the other teams tied who won't get a second chance to compare again. We should only compare head-to-head results once, if they are still tied, go for the point differential. 120.16.215.135 (talk) 03:21, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

The rule is identical to international ice hockey. It more commonly affects 3-way ties where two out of three teams have an equal goal differential and those two are compared head-to-head rather than moving on to goals scored. MLB uses the same rationale as well where you return to the 1st rule once the initial group of tied teams are no longer all tied.18abruce (talk) 03:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, the last 2 matches of Lithuania most leading a dsq to this team, like happen with badminton in London 2012152.170.24.22 (talk) 03:42, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

I can't see any reason why the Lithuanians would prefer to finish 3rd instead of 1st in their group. Do they fear the Serbians? 120.16.215.135 (talk) 04:47, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

To avoid USA, like badminton in London 2012, they lost to avoid some rival152.170.24.22 (talk) 19:19, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Win or lose, LTU would've avoided in the USA in the knockout stage. They did avoid the USA though as they were eliminated lol.

See Group tournament ranking system#Tiebreaker criteria for an example on a tiebreak by using the head-to-head criteria. –HTD 02:33, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

The snake bites it own tail...

The snake bites it own tail...

Has anyone else noticed this about the second group? Croatia beat Spain defeated Lithuania beat Argentina defeated Brazil beat Spain defeated Nigeria beat CROATIA. There are some VERY close games in this path, including the double-overtime game and a one-point game in regulation time.

You can also find several other closed loops containing five teams or four teams, such as Croatia over Spain over Lithuania over Brazil over Nigeria over Croatia. Two things that makes this possible is that there were 1) no undefeated teams, and 2) no winless teams -- since Nigeria upset Croatia to finish up with a 1 - 4 record.

This is a very unusual pool, because the pools in this and other team sports always contained an undefeated team, such as American men or women in some sports, or Chinese or Brazilians in basketball or volleyball. This was unusual because in the past, the Brazilians and the Chinese have usually had reasonably good teams in these sports, as well as in soccer, beach volleyball, etc. I don't think that we would want to see Brazil vs. China in ice hockey, though. Think of that for the next Winter Olympics in South Korea. I wonder how the Koreans will do. Maybe as well as the British women did in basketball? D.A.W. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.206.243.172 (talk) 09:17, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

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