Talk:Bathory Cave

Requested move 10 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Editors don't agree what the common name in English is for this cave. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 00:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

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Bathory Cave → Bátori Cave – Official name of the cave, based on the Home Page of the Official Nature Conservation in Hungary, which register natural sites throughout the country. Majority of the sources also use Bátori name with alternative forms (Báthory, Báthori, Hárs-hegy etc.). The cave is named after 15th-century hermit László Báthory, whose, however, it is the best-known name form, instead of Bátori. Norden1990 (talk) 18:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 12:07, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

• Support as https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=%22B%C3%A1tori+Cave%22&num=10 In ictu oculi (talk) 19:15, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

• Why not Báthory Cave?--evrik ^(talk) 02:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose the article is appropriately named per Wikipedia:ENGLISH. The citations above are in Hungarian. A simple google search will show that the name exists without the accents or other diacritics.--evrik ^(talk) 02:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

• This google search confirm this name does not exist, the majority of the results are this wikipedia article and its derivative spam pages, in addition to some results, which has nothing to do with the cave in Budapest. --Norden1990 (talk) 04:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

• I see a number of English language articles, like this one. --evrik ^(talk) 22:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

• A self-published blog is not an appropriate source here. --Norden1990 (talk) 21:21, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

• It looks like the writings of a subject matter expert to me, posted at basecampguides.com. However, in English, the name Bathory is commonly spelled without accents or other diacritics, like: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/ruins-cachtice-castle --evrik ^(talk) 21:54, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

• Please, avoid WP:OR, this article is not about this cave or the hermit László Báthory (the fact that in many cases the English do not use a foreign accent does not mean that it is the "English spelling". Nonsense). Anyway, this is also a self-published article, after registration, you can edit it too. --Norden1990 (talk) 22:16, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

• Funny you say that, the is no OR, simply pointing out commonly visible facts. --evrik ^(talk) 22:38, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:USEENGLISH. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:49, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

• Nonsense "argument". There is no credible source where the site is listed under "Bathory Cave". English language GB results for "Bátori Cave": [1], [2] (p. 376.), [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]. --Norden1990 (talk) 21:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• Not all those are English sources, and not all the links worked. --evrik ^(talk) 23:49, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

All work, at most you do not have permission to view due to copyright, but in most of the links you can see that the name form "Bátori Cave" is accepted. If you check "Bathory Cave", you have no valid results outside this wikipedia site, only derivative and spam sites, which were created when this article was born. "Bathory Cave" in Google Books: 0 (zero) results. Why do you insist on an untenable title? --Norden1990 (talk) 08:28, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.