Talk:Battle of Annual

Ait Waryaguil / Beni Ouriaghel

I note that this uncommented edit (no summary) changed "Ait Waryaguil" to "Beni Ouriaghel". Was the former simply wrong? Should both names be mentioned? What is going on here? - Jmabel | Talk 16:02, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Nothing weird Jmabel. The most accurate spelling is Beni Ouriaghel. Both names refer to the same tribe. The edit summary mentioned dab, which was what i did. Cheers -- Szvest 16:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

If it is correct, shouldn't the "Beni Ouriaghel" article mention the extremely different alternate name "Ait Waryaguil"? "Ouriaghel" and "Waryaguil" are clearly just different transliterations, but "Beni" and "Ait" are hardly similar words. - Jmabel | Talk 16:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[copied from my User talk:Jmabel]

Aît is a Berber name whearas Beni is an Arabic one. People from the Ouriaghel tribe are called Beni Ouriaghel. The Berbers refer to it as Beni Ouriaghel. Try google as well. For more info about the etymology you can refer to D.M. Hart: The Ayt Waryaghel of the Moroccan Rif. A History and an ethnography. Tuscon University, 1975. Cheers -- Szvest 16:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

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That's about what I figured, but it is hardly common knowledge in the English-speaking world. I will add a mention to Beni Ouriaghel. - Jmabel | Talk 16:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Title

I don't understand why the title contains the term disaster. It was a disaster for the Spanish army but it wasn't for the Rifian warriors. I'll be waiting for a couple of days for any input before changing this title to the Battle of Annual for NPOV sake. -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 13:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

If the event is known as the "Disaster of Annual", that is what it is known as. That is not POV! Incidentally, what did the rebels call it?JohnC (talk) 21:05, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Rifeños are moroccans !!!

Hi, it's stupid to call the resistence by "rifeños" without mentionning antything about their nationality, as you know, The region of Rif was part of the spanish protectorate in morocco and before that it was moroccan and still now it'sd moroccan, so Rifeños are moroccans and the article must mention it. Stop manipulating and denigrating history of Morocco --Yusuf ibn Tashfin (talk) 18:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Calm down, nobody is denigrating the history of Morocco or Moroccans, a great people. It seems to me that the fighters were Moroccans and also Rifeños at the same time. Right? I person can be both, just a person can be (in United States terms) an American and New Yorker. So it's only a question of emphasis. Reasonable people can disagree about this, so let's try to work this out. There probably is no easy "right" answer. For instance: as am American, I would consider both of these sentences to be arguably correct:

• "At the Battle of Concord, Massachusetts militiamen fought British regulars."
• "At the Battle of Concord, American militiamen fought British regulars."

I think an important question to ask would be: how did the fighters characterize themselves? If asked "What are you?" would most of them more likely replied "I am a Moroccan!" or "I am a Rifeño!"? I don't know if that question can easily be answered (and it's possibly neither, as tribal affiliation may have trumped both), but perhaps the flag they fought under, the government or leader who they took orders from, and the official name of their fighting force can be determined and this would go a long way to answering the question. Herostratus (talk) 15:55, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Could we get some engagement here rather than just edit warring? The editor has asserted (in an edit summary) "the Rifeños which are the people of Rif have a Moroccan Identity card and Moroccan passport". OK, but what about the Rif Republic? Is that article inaccurate, or what? Herostratus (talk) 05:19, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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Ferrer-Dalmau

I would like to suggest that the unhistorical, ridiculously kitschy image of Ferrer-Dalmau, which serves a national hero myth, be removed from the article. Hacrie (talk) 09:12, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

• It portrays the Cazadores de Alcántara - a light horse regiment that held together and conducted a fighting retreat as most of the column disintegrated. Perhaps the painting could be repositioned next to one of the two references to this unit in the main text of the article. It is an accurate portrayal of the appearance of Spanish cavalry in this campaign even if the portrayal of a single gallant charge is a trifle theatrical Buistr (talk) 01:01, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

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