Talk:Battle of Avdiivka (2023–2024)

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Given the change of article scope, the top image probably neds to be changed, given that it is from May. Smeagol 17 (talk) 06:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

"Per anonymous Russian military source"

Such references have no place in Wikipedia: all information must come from verifiable reliable sources. I am surprized editors who edit such sensitive areas do not know this most basic rule of Wikipedia. - Altenmann >talk 16:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Navbox position

Nobody will notice the navbox at the very bottom, because nobody will scroll down the enormous list of references (including myself :-). Therefore I placed it under the "See also", which is a natural position: the navbox is the list of pages to "see also". - Altenmann >talk 16:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:NAV and WP:NAVBOX - place at bottom of article after other standard article appendices (see also MOS:LAYOUT). Also, your edit left two navboxes in the article. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Discussion on the usage of white phosphorus

I would change the following description of the second picture in the article from:

Avdiivka's School No. 1 shelled by white phosphorus munitions.

to:

Avdiivka's School No. 1 destroyed by artillery fire including incendiary munitions.

It is not confirmed, that russia used WP munitions. Imagery of shells airbursting clearly depict 9M22S Grad shells beeing used. Zootier (talk) 18:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Current sources support WP claim – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 14:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 July 2024

This answer uses the same source to state what Ukraine states are Russian losses repeatedly. No estimate of Ukrainain losses is provided, only a discussion of if there were POWs? Then it skips right to alleging war crimes? Obviously there were substantial losses for Ukraine, likely higher than for Russia, as Russia had encircled the city, and Ukraine lost a bunch of armor to relieve them. If we dont have an accurate count of casualties, then just say, it was very costly for both sides. These constant statements that Russia is looking thousands of troops every day while Ukraine is not losing any is silly. We know from the Donbas war, where the AFU fought irregular guerillas, the casualty rates were about the same for both sides. Then we have Zelensky saying that: 'The ratio of Ukrainian and Russian military personnel losses at this stage of the war is one to six, President Volodymyr Zelensky said on June 30 in an interview with The Philadelphia Inquirer. "Indeed, they (Russian forces) have much more people, and indeed we care for our people more. We will not have more people than Russia (on the battlefield)," Zelensky said. Zelensky added that the ratio was one to four earlier, but now it is six to one, considering the situation in the directions of the cities of Pokrovsk and Kharkiv. Russia has lost over 540,000 troops in Ukraine since the beginning of the full-scale invasion in February 2022, according to Ukraine's General Staff. This number includes both killed and injured.' That would suggest that Ukraine's KIA, MIA, injuries were only 90,000? However, in 2021, 'Initially, the known number of Ukrainian military casualties varied widely due to the Ukrainian Army drastically understating its casualties,[16] as reported by medics, activists and soldiers on the ground, as well as at least one lawmaker.[16][17][18][19] Several medical officials reported they were overstretched due to the drastic number of casualties.[16] Eventually, the Ukrainian Defence Ministry stated that the numbers recorded by the National Museum of Military History were the official ones, although still incomplete,[20] with 4,638 deaths (4,500 identified and 138 unidentified) cataloged by 1 December 2021.[9][10]' So we really don't have any idea how many died for Ukraine in that war, only that the Govt of Ukraine has failed to provide proper statistics since at least 2014. 207.148.176.87 (talk) 17:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 14:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Ukrainian losses

This article needs more info on Ukrainian losses you'll have to be delusional to believe that Ukraine suffered extremely little while Russia suffered such heavy also those sources on the Russian casualties ar not reliable in the least 2A02:587:E814:4A20:9019:C7C7:B0CD:45E7 (talk) 21:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)