Talk:Siege of Fort St. Jean

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was no evidence provided to support move. JPG-GR (talk) 01:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I want to move to to the Siege of Fort St. Johns. It is written that way in every single book I have stumbled upon. Also, this is the English wikipedia.-Kieran4 (talk) 21:17, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment It is certainly true that American histories covering this event use St. Johns. I don't recall off hand what the (English-language) Canadian histories I've run across say. I'm not sure I've seen any British histories of the revolution that even mention this event (but then I've not looked hard for those). In any event, there should be redirects from whichever name is not the primary. Magic♪piano 22:46, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

As well as military historians (e.g. Zuehlke, Chartrand), virtually all English language Canadian sources use St. Jean or Saint-Jean, including the site's museum, Parks Canada, and the Canadian Encyclopedia. Albrecht (talk) 23:00, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Oppose I would think that if modern Canadian works refer to the battle/siege as of St. Jean, the events and the places should follow suit. There should be redirects from similar St. John names (which I believe there are not now), and appropriate lead wordage. (To expose my biases: I am an American.) Magic♪piano 20:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Copied from WP:RM:

• • Oppose shows US bias. 76.66.195.63 (talk) 06:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose in agreement with previous post from 76.66.195.63. And in reply to Kieran4, this is also Canadian English Wikipedia as much as it is American English Wikipedia, and in Canada we don't anglicize French placenames (Otherwise Montreal would be Royal Mountain, and Louisbourg would be "Louie's Castle"). If this were a US placename, the equation might be different, but for example Detroit is still Detroit and not "the Strait".Skookum1 (talk) 14:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Canadian style generally doesn't anglicize French placenames. If all the sources call it Fort St. Johns, then change it because that is the general English usage. However, if it is mixed, use St. Jean, even if a majority of sources use Johns. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 18:59, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

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